Originally posted by hundred
where the is the music coming from
id plz:toothless
god.
SuspicionVandit
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Originally posted by LoveStoned
Happy Resurrection Day Guys!!
I was wondering what Bob Marley had to do with Jesus Christ.....
hundred
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
god.
WHERE THE IS THE MUSIC COMING FROM
chach
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Where'd chachiii go?
church
nefardec
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Originally posted by enydo
I guess I wasn't clear, this is actually how I feel about things at this point.
Ugh... ok whatever makes you happy man. You are probably one of the most condescending people (online) I have ever seen.
maybe it sounds condescending, but i think the main reason people form groups (even tranceaddict) is so that they don't feel insecure, alone, stupid, or worthless. everyone is looking for affirmation to prevent the fragile bubble that they call reality from popping.
i'd call it 'cynical', not 'condescending'. i'm really not trying to belittle anyone personally, and i include myself in any descriptions.
for it to be condescending you'd have to see that as a bad thing in itself. i don't see the need for affirmation as a bad thing necessarily, just a human thing.
but thanks for the kind words. lol
enydo
Well yeah, I was just irritated at the time of posting.
I agree, it's a completely human need, one in which we all participate and for good reason. It helps society as a whole and encourages growth and community. I'm just not keen on organized religion. I think it's corrupt and has lost all of the values it was originally developed to instill. I saw all this while growing up in a church, and the only reason I got a little upset was the fact that my parents still go and they are genuinely nice people. They may not be very hip, but they go to give themselves a sense of community I think, I just don't need it like they do.
The internet is a funny place, I know how it feels to be misunderstood. :p
nefardec
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Originally posted by enydo
Well yeah, I was just irritated at the time of posting.
I agree, it's a completely human need, one in which we all participate and for good reason. It helps society as a whole and encourages growth and community. I'm just not keen on organized religion. I think it's corrupt and has lost all of the values it was originally developed to instill. I saw all this while growing up in a church, and the only reason I got a little upset was the fact that my parents still go and they are genuinely nice people. They may not be very hip, but they go to give themselves a sense of community I think, I just don't need it like they do.
The internet is a funny place, I know how it feels to be misunderstood. :p
see the problem is, as other people point out, not organized religion, but people who adopt it who don't think for themselves or don't have a personal spiritual life. organized religion is supposed to help you to do this - i feel with the right mentors it can and does.
organized ANYTHING is a problem when people do not think for themselves and try to evangelize others who do not think for themselves.
also anytime it is used as for political domination (eg spanish jews who had to convert to islam officially during the moorish conquest)
my family are extremely zealous catholics from sicily. they have a patron saint (san biagio) from the town they grew up in. i have many cherished memories of traditions associated with their catholic faith. my parents go to church every sunday, my grandparents go three times a week. i can't speak for everyone obviously, but i talk to my parents about their faith and I know for them church functions as the supporting axis in their reality bubble. it brings them comfort, it is perhaps more real to them than anything else. these are the ties that bind my family and their community, and I would never wish for those to be taken away. For me it only becomes a problem when it discourages others following their own hearts and minds.
unfortunately, i think for many people membership of a parish is no different than membership to a country club. except it's like a country club where if you pay your dues you end up owning the place for eternity.
enydo
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Originally posted by nefardec
unfortunately, i think for many people membership of a parish is no different than membership to a country club. except it's like a country club where if you pay your dues you end up owning the place for eternity.
Haha, yeah exactly. I always saw it as these people were more there for the social aspects of a church than for their own spiritual needs.
