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| DigiNut |
| House is the new trance, electro is the new house, minimal is the new electro, and techno is the new minimal; that's primarily what's changed in 10 years. |
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| cronodevir |
| What is the new electronica? :p |
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| lenieNt Force |
Lol.. guys.. I have good news for you. It's called Psychedelic Trance/Techno/Hardcore House and it still exists!
Woho!:)
Nah seriously I know what you mean, but I wouldn't paint the picture as sombre as you do. Music evolves. It's always been that way. Get used to it and follow the wave and try to do something useful and creative instead of swimming against it people ;)
While we're at it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Wfidqnai0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn_ITyWqHMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYYKzSbUufc
This is just so... I don't have words man.. I'm speechless.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
House is the new trance, electro is the new house, minimal is the new electro, and techno is the new minimal; that's primarily what's changed in 10 years. |
Actually your indeed onto something, cause every genre just floats into one another as the music evolves. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Dude, I can't get my head around you, you totally diss software and promote hardware, but don't actually own any. You seem to dislike trance (Or perhaps I miss understood) but attend a trance forum, what sort of music do you actually make and can I hear some?
You bear the hallmarks of total genius or complete fruit basket and I can't work out which. :)
All joking aside, I would actually like to hear what you do, searched for tracks under your name but couldn't find any.
I don't disagree that they are some mighty fine decades for music however, although it's funny how a lot of people who grew up in the 80s look back in shame he he.
Cheers
Nem |
If you can't get your head around me, that is pretty good news to me. You're not suppose to. And yes you misunderstood. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
What is the new electronica? :p |
Bollywood. |
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| Nightshift |
Most of the faster BPM stuffs (typically 135-140) is more like uplifting dance music than trance nowadays. I feel these days trance is more about energy than atmosphere, and thats the problem. Trance was originally about hypnotic sounds/melody patterns and evolving atmospheres. When you listen to older trance it was alot more groove oriented than in-your-face energetic.
This being said I think more progressive styles of trance still have trancey feel.
my 2 cents.
EDIT: I wrote this in reference to In Search Of Sunrise 1 released November 22, 1999 as im listening to it right now. |
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| a98 |
it's funny that some people think armin has gone bad because all the prog and slower stuff he plays, while some, like myself, think it's the uplifting stuff in asot etc that sounds the most boring and generic. the first 15-30 minutes is usually pretty good.
i really enjoy the modern melodic slower trance (125-134) which most people refer as progressive trance. at best it manages to capture the hypnotic atmospheric feel of the old trance pre 98, combines percussive and groove elements from house and techno and yet manages to be melodic and have a couple of catchy (melancholic) riffs here and there without becoming too popish or happy. and like every other genre it also has it's weak moments, at worse it's just random blip blop with electro sounds and too much sidechaining everywhere.
what comes to uplifting trance genre though (135-142 stuff), it's not like the pre 2002 stuff was that innovative or original in terms of song structures and ideas either, but there was couple of small things that in my opinnion made it more enjoyable and easier to listen:
- dynamics, the tracks had air in them. not too much sounds playing at the same time. for instance way out west tracks might have had tons of different sounds and samples in one track, but never too many playing at the same time, some samples might even appear just once in a song. mastering, overcompressing.. this has been discussed to death, but yeah i don't wanna listen too long for tracks that have absolutely no dynamics and are full on trashed noise all the way through.
- organic sounds, like someone already pointed out earlier. expecially in the 90s people used a lot of samplers to have organic real instruments and sounds in their tracks, it really made each track more unique. now most of of uplifting have the same beat sounds and the same sawplucks and sawstrings, they dont' stand out enough.
- original sounds, less overused presets and more own tweaked sounds, that sound nothing like anything else.
- more acid, sweeps, resosynths and more background synths with filter automations all together. i know for a fact that there's a lot of people who can't stand acid, but for me acid like sounds are one of the key elements of trance music.
- less vocals, i enjoy a good vocal track now and then like everyone else, but it seems nowadays most people are using vocals just for the sake of it.
also i think in general over 95% of the uplifting melodies are really happy, while pre99 it was mostly darker and melancholic sad melodies (although the anthem supersaw period in 99, might have had the happiest riffs ever). i personally enjoy melancholic and sad melodies the most, or something between happy and sad. but i guess that's a matter of taste aswell.
but i can't say my generic uplifting tracks (a98 releases) so far have really helped the uplifting scene either.
you gotta remember that big labels also dictate a lot of the sound, a lot of new producers might have original out of the box ideas, but the labels force them to change it to more generic and trendy form, cause they think it will sell more. |
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| Wendell Frost |
Chucked out my midi keyboard, uninstalled my 5-6 years worth of aquired software and deleted all my 150GB software backups. Free at last.
I entered the game too late (~ 2002) so was always going for the sounds of the past rather than moving with the sounds of the future.
I can't know how newcomers to the scene feel about todays trance, maybe it's amazing to them.
I can't be bothered moaning about the state of today's trance.
I've been trying my hardest to like some other fourtothefloor styles, but really they are just bleeps and farts with spaceships and a kickdrum.
I'm moving on... have fun!! |
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