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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Ohh geeehzz.. this is now turning into the "you think you're underground, but your compilation educated material" thread....
This is not about naming undergrounds next big thing, but if you cannot hear the difference between the typical SVD 16c Logic groove on an dotted 8th beat. and the ARMIN ASOT tunes, you've got a lot to catch up with........
Dunno what direction you guys want to take this thread, but it's not about 90ties anymore.....
If you want to hear really new stuff? go to the producer promotion forum and listen to the next generation waiting to be discovered..... is THAT underground an real enough for you?!? |
I have no idea who this is aimed at but if its aimed at me, you've obviously completely misunderstood my post. I dont care about things being underground. I'm saying that I, like many others, find todays trance generic and crap (for the most part). The big name jocks lead the way with todays sound and everyone else follows.
These days I only listen to the odd bit of trance now and then, usually a DJ set by the big names or the recognisable artists on Beatport as it is by these people I will hear what are supposed to be the big tunes of the moment. 90% of the time I am disappointed with what I hear and I dont bother with it for a while. Then I read a post like Lenient force claiming that there is good stuff, we just need to look harder. But his recommendations are the exact well known artists that I am already familiar with and listen to every so often.
If people like todays trance then that is fine. Each to their own. But when people claim that I or anyone else need to dig deeper to find the good stuff, this suggests that this is what they do and that this is what I need to do. But then they list artists from the Beatport top 10. Like I haven't looked there.. |
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| flutlicht junky |
| quote: | Originally posted by lenieNt Force
x2^10
There are people today that still make amazing and non-generic music, right from their heart. It's just so much more of it you have to do an effort and go hunt it out to find it.
I'll name a few insane producers of today:
Leon Bolier
Marcel Woods
Sander Van Doorn
Joop
Duderstadt/Inpetto
The Blizzard!
Arnej
Deadmau5
Marcus Schossow
Matan Zohar
Markus Schulz
Bart Claessen
Cosmic Gate still goes strong
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I think this is a good list, though not my preferred artists
This is'nt about new / old, it's about using the same sounds as everyone else and tbh alot of these artists have their own unique still that OTHER PPL try to copy. |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
I think this is a good list, though not my preferred artists
This is'nt about new / old, it's about using the same sounds as everyone else and tbh alot of these artists have their own unique still that OTHER PPL try to copy. |
Exactly. Which was what I was pointing out. Artists with innovative thinking who don't look back.
| quote: | | Then I read a post like Lenient force claiming that there is good stuff, we just need to look harder. But his recommendations are the exact well known artists that I am already familiar with and listen to every so often. |
Why do you listen to it if you don't think it's good stuff?
Like I said, I wasn't naming artists who produce 90's trance.
Listen to psy, thats probably the closest you'll get to early trance today. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con The big name jocks lead the way with todays sound and everyone else follows.
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I'm pretty sure that happens in every genre. Correct me if im wrong though. |
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| Raphie |
I've told it before and i'll tell it again:
BitTorrent killed trance....
nowadays everyone can give his production potential a test by just downloading FLstudio and more VSTi's and sample CD's then one can use in a life time.
Since publishing moved to electronic and stores don't care about the quality of tracks they sell EVERYONE can start an electronic label and squeeze out tracks via online capacity brokers with "electronic releases" ...... and it's all the same ty crap.... fruity processed sounds, lame NEXUS 1.0 patches, the same vengeance VEC CD's.... all the same riffs ripped from Trance2Midi since most of them can't play ....... I choose just to ignore that overhead and stil look forward to the next mr Patterson, or mr Miller release..... Since those are one of the few who have been delivering quaranteed quality throughout the years.
And if you think above is a problem, then i challenge you wether you're just not jealous that they pull it off and you don't :D
Maybe you should try rock music with real instruments, which one needs to purchase rather than laying around on the net waiting to picked up by then next 14 year old kid ready to ubase it. There is loads of nice stuff, you just need to dig deeper. and what does a Beatport top10 tells you? right that people actually like those tracks and spend money on them....... |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
and what does a Beatport top10 tells you? right that people don't know about bitorrent or p2pactually like those tracks and spend money on them....... |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by lenieNt Force
Why do you listen to it if you don't think it's good stuff?
Like I said, I wasn't naming artists who produce 90's trance.
Listen to psy, thats probably the closest you'll get to early trance today. |
Sorry mate, I think we're missing each others points here and going round in circles.
I listen to trance now and then to see whats knocking about and if there is anything I might like. Usually there's not much I do like so I move back to other genres. But I'll still check it out every so often to keep in touch with the scene and because when I do find something I like, I love it (trance was my main passion for many years). The fact that I dont listen to trance on a regular basis means I'm not very familiar with smaller lesser known artists as I dont spend the time to find them.
But when I read posts like yours, it makes me think that I should look harder because then I will find some good trance (which is what you claim) But then your example of the current quality are the famous big names that I am very familiar with. This results in people who are in my position feeling that there is no point in "searching" for good trance because apparently the best tunes are the ones we already know.
As I've mentioned numerous times now, your post is just one of many I've read over the last couple of years all saying the same thing.
Oh and I hate psy trance. The trance I loved was the 97-2002 era. I'm not asking for tracks that sound like late 90's trance. Just good trance tracks which for the most part I don't hear these days very often at all. |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
I'm pretty sure that happens in every genre. Correct me if im wrong though. |
Yes, in fairness you are right, but to me, trance suffers from only 3 or 4 super DJ's having a complete stranglehold over the entire genre. If they play it, its big. If they don't, it slips away.
I don't think any other genre is influenced to such a degree by such a small number of DJ's. |
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| Dj_Nectra |
I"ve heard and seen so many discussions about this specific subject over and over, humans are nostalgic people and love to praise the past, woohoo, I bet you 10 years down the road many of you will be missing the EDM of today.
Look I didn't grow up listening to trance in the mid 90-s ,I was 7-8, but i did in the late 90s and was mostly into the "hard" trance (cosmic gate, flutlicht, dave joy, vespa 63 etc..) not so much into Gouryella, Ferry, AVB, PVD, Tiesto (of course im naming the commercial top 5.)
Then I got bored of that, I didn't want to hear as much melody as I did with percussion and bass so I started getting into the techier trance in the mid early 2000s. Sure SVD had some great tracks under Sam Sharp, hes the one who really got me into the techier stuff (Armani & Ghost were pretty nasty too), but he still knows what hes doing today, take a look at his collab with Marco V - Organic. I'm sorry but when i heard that main bass lead for the first time it was a completely new and original sound, something i never heard before and it blew me away.
I can tell you there are many producers today, whether they are signed to big trance labels or unsigned they both have extremely interesting and original production skills, far more complex than in the late 90s and early 00s.
I've been spending a year in France studying abroad, and here the big thing is "minimal" and I can tell you a lot of "trance" is influenced from minimal and techno. Take a look at Moonbeam, they are pretty big and I'm sure you all know them. They are a perfect example of a fusion of minimal and trance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtZgi6fknj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kKL...feature=related
I'm sorry but I think these guys are very talented, the sounds they use just blow my mind, just listen closely to every layer they add.
Here's another example of some minimal trance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbAui6gQRbg
Another artist who I think is extremely talented Re-Ward, this 21 year old kid knows how to work his drum pattern, and I'm sure of it he doesn't use loops.
Rafael Frost another big one in terms of remixes, a mix of amazing melodies but still keeping that techy bassy percussion element to it:
Aden's Dream & Hold On Me. or even his original stuff: Minimum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4uTZULOJk
Heatbeat another great name out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWhO...feature=related
Mat Zo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Hi3fvgs3k good stuff
I mean the point is you can't really compare this to trance to the mid-90s, in essence the music I just presented you isn't "trance", its not repetitive enough, its not hypnotic, and I guess it doesn't bring you that psychedelic feeling you would get in the 90s.
I've been djiing for about 8 years, producing for a year, and creating sounds from scratch and can tell you none of this is simple, most of the big "names" who make it out there have an original sound to them. I can talk forever about this, because I only named only a few artists (the first ones that popped up in my head). |
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| Dj_Nectra |
also look out for Tempo Giusto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpU26d--_q8
very trippy track
this one is a bit older from 2 years ago but i think funabashi is pretty nasty: remix and original stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akhoQf3lkoU&feature=related |
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| Dj_Nectra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
I've told it before and i'll tell it again:
BitTorrent killed trance....
nowadays everyone can give his production potential a test by just downloading FLstudio and more VSTi's and sample CD's then one can use in a life time.
Since publishing moved to electronic and stores don't care about the quality of tracks they sell EVERYONE can start an electronic label and squeeze out tracks via online capacity brokers with "electronic releases" ...... and it's all the same ty crap.... fruity processed sounds, lame NEXUS 1.0 patches, the same vengeance VEC CD's.... all the same riffs ripped from Trance2Midi since most of them can't play ....... I choose just to ignore that overhead and stil look forward to the next mr Patterson, or mr Miller release..... Since those are one of the few who have been delivering quaranteed quality throughout the years.
And if you think above is a problem, then i challenge you wether you're just not jealous that they pull it off and you don't :D
Maybe you should try rock music with real instruments, which one needs to purchase rather than laying around on the net waiting to picked up by then next 14 year old kid ready to ubase it. There is loads of nice stuff, you just need to dig deeper. and what does a Beatport top10 tells you? right that people actually like those tracks and spend money on them....... |
you think Patterson and Miller have really been delivering guaranteed quality tracks? I think the completely opposite, the tracks they produce are probably the most generic tracks I've heard, one after the other, same bass line, same drum pattern, same leads, except for some of Pattersons tracks, but I still put them all in that category with: Sean Tyas, Fast Distance, Aly & Fila etc... I honestly can't tell the difference, they don't use any original sounds |
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