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Politically Correct and Music (pg. 5)
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| cronodevir |
PC for me has always been not saying something that the state or media do not want you to say. For instance, in America the media likes Homosexuals, and the media thinks they should get married. Despite the fact that in 49 [maby 48] states, homosexuality is still considered a mental illness, and its illegal. But because the media gives such a tiny tiny tiny minority of people so much coverage, it actually becomes a crime to speak out against it.
So in America, if you say homosexuality, a mental illness according to 93% of the country, is bad. Then you can be jailed or fined for hate speech in many states. Hate Speech itself is a crime invented as a result of Political Correctness. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
It is kind of lame, because it's just common sense in the broad possible meaning and is not exclusive to EDM. I've had many different different careers in the last 14 years or so, and when looking at people's success (including mine), the one common stand between those who do well and those that don't, is how they are able to interact with other people and get along. I did say clearly however that if you're so that talented that people just can't bear to be without what you are able to provide, then yes, you can get away with not giving a about how you are perceived....but I still believe you get further by talented, hardworking and a good person to know.
But the topic is also kind of lame, because it does not ask to address you're a nice person or easy to deal with, just if you are PC, which s NOT the same thing.
Being PC just means not saying something that could be found offensive. yes, it's got out of control in some instances, but being offensive can often be based on personal perspective. It's really not that difficult to be unoffensive in this life, especially when your livelihood depends on it (which is what the question is getting at).
so it is kind of a (not totally) lame topic as it just makes sense not to be offensive when you want to work with other people. If someone has trouble doing that as part of their general existance then I would suggest some professional help, not looking on the internet for answers., if you get what i mean? |
This isn't about people in the studio behind the scenes, and the way they handle their relationships with coworkers, i'm talking about people who are famous in their respective genres, and have some sort of commercially viable image to maintain. The topic has flown over your head so far. Underground Artists and for the most part EDM artists don't have that sort of image to maintain. It goes furthur into, a lot of EDM artists not even being attractive to look at, yet they still can be successful. Mainstream artists have to have some visual candy to be successful these days. So yah, what you don't understand can be lame, no doubt. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Europe invented Political Correctness and then they brought it to America. Europe and their ing guilt trip pansy ass feeling sorry because of the holey WW2 fiasco.
Do you know in Germany if you talk bad about a Jew you can actually be send to Israel for so called "hate speech"..how pathetic.
Europe is an Orwellian society through and through. You better not say anything that goes against the trends, or the thought police will get you. |
"Europe and their ing guilt trip pansy ass", "WW2 fiasco?"
I'm British you absolute ing cunt. That means European.
I've got relatives that fought and died in that "fiasco", just so the jewish population wasn't wiped out and so your dumb ass doesn't have to speak German to everyone east of New York.
And you're upset you can't slag off jewish people that died because of it?
Germany is actually one of the most progressive and open societies I've ever been to BECUASE of what happened in their history. They allow freespeech far beyond what the US does and don't allow persecution based on political or religious views. read some news (if you can or get and audio book of news if that helps): they just banned a further expansion of religious studies in german schools becuase they said they would prefer to teach morals through educated values rather than pervasive religious ideology.
You really have set the bar in terms of mindnumbing bull on this forum. You are honestly one of the dumbest s I've wasted time speaking to. You really think they send you to israel for commenting on the holocaust. you're thick. you have no idea what your talking about, again. It was suggested becuase there are still a few fringe members of society (neo nazi groups etc.) that openly try to promote the story that the holocaust is a lie.
That's ing hurtful to the relatives of those jews that were killed and I hope you realise that.
Becuase these racist groups are like you and never been out of their white suburb, it was suggested that they should see jewish culture in a hope to reeducate them.
You don't even know what the reference to george Orwell means. I give up. You're just such a cvnt, and everyone on here knows it. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
"Europe and their ing guilt trip pansy ass", "WW2 fiasco?"
I'm British you absolute ing cunt. That means European.
I've got relatives that fought and died in that "fiasco", just so the jewish population wasn't wiped out and so your dumb ass doesn't have to speak German to everyone east of New York.
And you're upset you can't slag off jewish people that died because of it?
Germany is actually one of the most progressive and open societies I've ever been to BECUASE of what happened in their history. They allow freespeech far beyond what the US does and don't allow persecution based on political or religious views. read some news (if you can or get and audio book of news if that helps): they just banned a further expansion of religious studies in german schools becuase they said they would prefer to teach morals through educated values rather than pervasive religious ideology.
You really have set the bar in terms of mindnumbing bull on this forum. You are honestly one of the dumbest s I've wasted time speaking to. You really think they send you to israel for commenting on the holocaust. you're thick. you have no idea what your talking about, again. It was suggested becuase there are still a few fringe members of society (neo nazi groups etc.) that openly try to promote the story that the holocaust is a lie.
That's ing hurtful to the relatives of those jews that were killed and I hope you realise that.
Becuase these racist groups are like you and never been out of their white suburb, it was suggested that they should see jewish culture in a hope to reeducate them.
You don't even know what the reference to george Orwell means. I give up. You're just such a cvnt, and everyone on here knows it.
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c-c-c--c-c-c-c-combo breaker supreme pwnage, ouch, Why so much hate towards crono, he seems like a nice guy? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
This isn't about people in the studio behind the scenes, and the way they handle their relationships with coworkers, i'm talking about people who are famous in their respective genres, and have some sort of commercially viable image to maintain. The topic has flown over your head so far. Underground Artists and for the most part EDM artists don't have that sort of image to maintain. It goes furthur into, a lot of EDM artists not even being attractive to look at, yet they still can be successful. Mainstream artists have to have some visual candy to be successful these days. So yah, what you don't understand can be lame, no doubt. |
Truly, i do not understand what you're getting at, and this post deosn't help me to.
Physical image has all to do with being PC unless you wear something offensive like a racist/sexist t shirt.
Most Dj's are an eyesore to be honest, but anyone in the public eye, or who even says something that someone else has to listen to will need to be mindful of what they're saying, otherwise they couls get in trouble.
this isn't rocket science. People watch what they say - they do it in a room full of people or in front of a camera or in a print interview. It's common sense. Speak or Act like a turd and people will think you're a whether or not your famous. Which bit of this is hard to grasp?
Yes, some people go to far ans sugar coat everyhting, and with them I also think they;re full of , and some people go out of their way to speak their mind because it sells them (lilly allen, Bill O'rielly, The Gallagher Bros, etc.).
That isn't even being PC per say. Sorry, Kismet, to me it just seems like an unbeliiveably obvious topic that should already be answered in your brain. |
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| ponsshin |
| I wish I could be a mod for 20 minutes just to up this thread |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Truly, i do not understand what you're getting at, and this post deosn't help me to.
Physical image has all to do with being PC unless you wear something offensive like a racist/sexist t shirt.
Most Dj's are an eyesore to be honest, but anyone in the public eye, or who even says something that someone else has to listen to will need to be mindful of what they're saying, otherwise they couls get in trouble.
this isn't rocket science. People watch what they say - they do it in a room full of people or in front of a camera or in a print interview. It's common sense. Speak or Act like a turd and people will think you're a whether or not your famous. Which bit of this is hard to grasp?
Yes, some people go to far ans sugar coat everyhting, and with them I also think they;re full of , and some people go out of their w to speak their mind because it sells them (lilly allen, Bill O'rielly, The Gallagher Bros, etc.).
That isn't even being PC per say. Sorry, Kismet, to me it just seems like an unbeliiveably obvious topic that should already be answered in your brain. |
I think you should read the topic over, to get a grasp of what it is saying. You totally travelling on a different tangent. You are bringing up real life or day to day stories as examples, which this has nothing to do with and the examples don't fit at all. Relationships and the political correctness at a personal level is not even close to what this topic is discussing. To make it simple, this thread is an observation of the differences between underground music artists and their freedom to act how they choose to, without much bearing on their success or failure, and mainstream artists who have thresholds on acting how they chooose to. Using general ethical examples doesn't really address the topic. If it was unbelievably obvious topic, you would have made sense of what the topic is saying already. ;) |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
I wish I could be a mod for 20 minutes just to up this thread |
So you could be cool and funny online? :stongue:
Well that's why your probably not a MOD.
But I wish there was an active Mod, so people could actually discuss topics without some idiot attacking people trying to have a discussion. |
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| ponsshin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Well that's why your probably not a MOD. :stongue:
But I wish there was an active Mod, so people could actually discuss topics without monkey's attacking people trying to have a discussion. |
I'm a monkey that doesn't start monkey threads.
Do you want a banana?
Don't need to be a mod to throw up on this thread. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
I'm a monkey that doesn't start monkey threads.
Do you want a banana?
Don't need to be a mod to throw up on this thread. |
High 5, you win the internets! Thanks to the internet, idiots can win at something LOL. ;)
I dont get why people always try to attack me or my threads, I don't attack anyone else or their threads. Maybe cuz im politically incorrect LOL. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I think you should read the topic over, to get a grasp of what it is saying. You totally travelling on a different tangent. You are bringing up real life or day to day stories as examples, which this has nothing to do with and the examples don't fit at all. Relationships and the political correctness at a personal level is not even close to what this topic is discussing. To make it simple, this thread is an observation of the differences between underground music artists and their freedom to act how they choose to, without much bearing on their success or failure, and mainstream artists who have thresholds on acting how they chooose to. Using general ethical examples doesn't really address the topic. If it was unbelievably obvious topic, you would have made sense of what the topic is saying already. ;) |
I did, and I just don't see much of a topic for discussion. I think you should think about what you say whether you're in front of a camera or not. Be yourself, sure. Don't sugar coat everything, but I find that most people who "speak their mind" do it for a particular reaction and to come accross a certain way, not becuase they honestly don;t have the ability to think about what they're saying. It's the same thing as people speaking in fairytales - it just serves a purpose.
but your OP, basically asks if you should change the way you act publicly if you get famous. Why would you? The only reason to would be if you say stupid or want ot be better at conveying something.
Sorry, it must just be me. maybe it's becuase I used to work in TV and radio and this just seems so obvious. I just don't see how this a difficult conundrum or needs a big discussion. I'll stay out of it and let other people chat... :) |
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| ponsshin |
Somedayz youz be famous too:stongue: |
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