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You can't use the new Vengeance samples without permission (pg. 4)
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| dannib |
| quote: | | you gotta be joking |
I have hardly ever heard a live kick drum being used in trance music. They are all synthesized usually. Its very easy to get punchy sounding kick drums. Just buy a couple of decent drum machines and layer the sounds with noise, hi hats or whatever. Re-sample and compress them, simple. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
How about " you i'll use the samples how ever I want"?
I have a song that is played, it has star trek and beavis and butthead samples in it...ive yet to be contacted.
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Producers have made big hits using uncleared movie samples for decades so... :o |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dannib
I have hardly ever heard a live kick drum being used in trance music. They are all synthesized usually. Its very easy to get punchy sounding kick drums. Just buy a couple of decent drum machines and layer the sounds with noise, hi hats or whatever. Re-sample and compress them, simple. |
Yes in principle.
But to get a bass drum to fit a bass line for example going from scratch aka a pitch shifting sine would take ages. Why not just grab a bass drum that sound how you want it anyway in under a minute? |
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| cronodevir |
| Because some people like to be "purists" and want to make everything from scratch. Because they can, or because they want to see if they can. Some people go so far as to not use any audio files in their production at all. [cept vocals maby] And besides if someone is really good at making them, then chances are they can make the kick exactly how they want it, which isn't the case with samples. |
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| Beatflux |
| The kick maker in Fruity Loops is called "Fruit Kick", not "Fruity Kicker." |
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| cronodevir |
| Is that really all you have to input? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
I have a song that is played, it has star trek and beavis and butthead samples in it...ive yet to be contacted.
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I sure that sounds great, but no-one has ever bought your music, and is probably the main reason you (try to) give it away for free.
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Oh , I said something was easy, here goes another DJ RANN/Subtle flamewar....
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I don't need to, other people are already on to you in this thread (again). In fact it's like you were born with a target shaped birthmark. Unlucky.
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
DJDIRTY: Ive used the Amen Break from the Winstons, the most sampled sound in music, no one has called me. No one called any of the last 20 years worth of artists who used it. Because you have to remember not every artist cares. If they sold their to some obscure label, they might have trouble. But in general I find no one cares. Ive used samples cut directly from movies made the same year of the song and set them out and no one has said anything.
As for being famous, do you really think that applies to anyone on this forum? I doubt DJ RANN or RichieV are going to make the next Robert Miles - Children |
It's amazing how many threads you can turn in to absolute drivel, especially as you've said before, you only give a about what works for you and not what might be another way of thinking or the most sensible way to work for everyone else.
But hang on - did you say you used a sample?.....uh oh, I'm sure your "latency theory" works nicely with that when played alongside with your midi :haha: |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I sure that sounds great, but no-one has ever bought your music, and is probably the main reason you (try to) give it away for free.
I don't need to, other people are already on to you in this thread (again). In fact it's like you were born with a target shaped birthmark. Unlucky.
It's amazing how many threads you can turn in to absolute drivel, especially as you've said before, you only give a about what works for you and not what might be another way of thinking or the most sensible way to work for everyone else.
But hang on - did you say you used a sample?.....uh oh, I'm sure your "latency theory" works nicely with that when played alongside with your midi :haha: |
It was only 5,999,999.
Oh, and fail troll is fail. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
It was only 2408 samples..
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FIXED :toothless
And I'm stopping now because....
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Doesn't matter. EULA's arn't legally enforcible. (any contract over a year must be written and signed if intended for a length of more than 1 year) The contract form is NOT 1 way. It must be treated, accepted, and the counter offer accept the acceptance. Any time before the acceptance comes into knowledge of the party that treats, the acceptance of the terms may be revoked.
Copyright would exist in regard to copyright licensing, unless the samples are provided royalty free.
I woulnd't work with non royalty free samples on any commercial project.
The public beleif is that end users have the allowance to use software legally if they pay for a copy of it. Being bound beyond that is often "unknown" as software is not sold in form of knowledgeable consent. Most places including ontario and quebec have consumer protection laws which do not allow for the consumer to be liable for practices which are not sufficient to insure the safety and knowledge of the consumer. Since EULA's are usually deemed indeterminant and infinite, they would not be legally enforcable because they fail the requirements of lawful contract in Canada. |
All very true and good post - an EULA has never been tested in court, and therefore there is no legal precident to enforce it. Microsoft have been big pioneers of the EULA but they are scared to have one go through court in case it's deemed illegal, and therefore everyone can use their stuff however they want. It's basically a scare tactic, to make you think you're "agreeing" to something legal, which you're not.
However, in this case Vengeance has done it because they know they could get in trouble for sampling other people's stuff. By putting that notice on the CD's, they are trying to protect themselves so the original creator owner comes after you when you have your big hit, rather than them. It wouldn't stand up in court though, so I'm not sure why they bothered? |
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| Eldritch |
Eh, Vengeance samples contain plenty of ripped samples. I know I've heard a loop ripped straight from Above & Beyond - Air For Life and also the kick from Far From In Love, just to name a few.
I wouldn't use anything other than one-shot perc samples from Vengeance. Thieving bastards. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eldritch
Eh, Vengeance samples contain plenty of ripped samples. I know I've heard a loop ripped straight from Above & Beyond - Air For Life and also the kick from Far From In Love, just to name a few.
I wouldn't use anything other than one-shot perc samples from Vengeance. Thieving bastards. |
They are like Robin Hood, the corporation. |
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