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House Mixing techniques with CDJs (pg. 2)
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| Wayne_B |
| quote: | Originally posted by daeus
SUMMARY OF THREAD:
looping on a cdj is imperfect
stay on the pitch wheel to make sure the loop stays in time
looping is for pussies |
hmmm... i disagree with you,quite strongly actually.
Seamless loop is very possible- and by doing a seamless loop you'll maintain the tempo of the track perfectly..
There is no need to stay on the pitch wheel if you've beat-matched correctly. So if YOU can't beat match don't bother trying to loop or you will be riding the pitch all night long.
looping is a very effective tool and shouldn't be overlooked by the more skilled dj out there.
I think alot of djs have become lazy and if an effect isn't easy to pull off they just slag it off and say its for pussies.. lol |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wayne_B
hmmm... i disagree with you,quite strongly actually.
Seamless loop is very possible- and by doing a seamless loop you'll maintain the tempo of the track perfectly..
There is no need to stay on the pitch wheel if you've beat-matched correctly. So if YOU can't beat match don't bother trying to loop or you will be riding the pitch all night long.
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No it's not, on both CDJ800s and 1000s you can only set loops points to an accuracy of 1/75th of a second, which isn't accurate enough to be "seamless" - worst case you can be the equivalent of half a bpm out with a 4 beat loop (which will drift out of time as quickly as if you set the pitch slider 'wrong' by about 0.6% out on a normal mix - i.e. fairly quickly)
You'll normally find you have to adjust the pitch slightly even when you've got the loop as accurate as it can be, if only by 0.05 or 0.1%
Plus you've got the added bonus of the CDJ800 being slightly slow in placing the loop out point, so sometimes it puts it a bit after you've pressed it (loops fine when you hit the button, but the loop's then a bit too long next time it goes round) - and no it's not me being a bit of a retard when I hit the button :p
But it is doable, you can get used to it... really short loops will always be a pain on the 800, but fixing longer loops and adjusting the pitch to suit becomes 2nd nature. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
looping is for pussies
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Agreed tbh :p
I had a mix earlier, getting some ideas down for a gig next weekend and with my fairly rubbish setup (2 CDJ100s and a CDJ800) I was resorting to the "2 copies" looping method as the 100s haven't got a loop function.
When I realised it would be a whole lot easier on the setup I'll be using at the gig, I felt slightly disappointed... might still do it with 2 copies :D |
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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
Agreed tbh :p
I had a mix earlier, getting some ideas down for a gig next weekend and with my fairly rubbish setup (2 CDJ100s and a CDJ800) I was resorting to the "2 copies" looping method as the 100s haven't got a loop function.
When I realised it would be a whole lot easier on the setup I'll be using at the gig, I felt slightly disappointed... might still do it with 2 copies :D |
i focus my sets more on track selection and seamless mixing, let the music speak for itself
i rarely ever use effects, i find them gimmicky and in the hands of someone inexperienced, often will take away from the music rather than add to it, not to say i can't use them properly, i just don't like to
if i want to do something cool with a track, i'll do it with 2 copies like stu mentioned |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
i focus my sets more on track selection and seamless mixing, let the music speak for itself
i rarely ever use effects, i find them gimmicky and in the hands of someone inexperienced, often will take away from the music rather than add to it, not to say i can't use them properly, i just don't like to
if i want to do something cool with a track, i'll do it with 2 copies like stu mentioned |
+10000000000 Tony, I've been saying the same thing for years. At most play with the eq's at opportune points to enhance the elements of the tracks but the vast majority of FX just sound toy and/or crap. |
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| Tony Morello |
yea, i'll mess with the eq at opportune moments to enhance areas of the song, usually during a breakdown, only in a live setting though, never on a cd
i look at effects as a way to hide mistakes or just plain old shoddy technique, hence my reluctance to use them
tight seamless mixes are the way to go, with proper track selection you don't even need to use the eq for mixing |
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| coroknight |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
tight seamless mixes are the way to go, with proper track selection you don't even need to use the eq for mixing |
I agree but if you just slap two tracks on top of each other won't the overall volume go up and make a sloppy mix? |
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| Tony Morello |
| that's what gains and volume faders are for |
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| coroknight |
My issue is that the volume faders and the gain knobs group all frequencies together. From what I can tell this can wreck havok on the bass.
Lets say I have a track going and i start the beginning of the next track. This will cause the kick to become stronger and make the bass line relatively quieter since you are layering two kicks and only one bassline.
Edit: And you don't want two basslines going at the same time. |
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| lawrenceq |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
looping is for pussies
/end drunk post
i just finished a 4 hour set, i'm ing loser pissed
pitchers of rev in the dj booth FTW |
Where do you spin? |
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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by lawrenceq
Where do you spin? |
at the best electronic music venue in calgary
the warehouse nightclub
it's been running for over 25 years now
they host some of the best acts that come to town
and it's calgary's only afterhours
pics are in the club djs setup thread |
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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by coroknight
My issue is that the volume faders and the gain knobs group all frequencies together. From what I can tell this can wreck havok on the bass.
Lets say I have a track going and i start the beginning of the next track. This will cause the kick to become stronger and make the bass line relatively quieter since you are layering two kicks and only one bassline.
Edit: And you don't want two basslines going at the same time. |
yes, but this is where proper track selection comes into play
if you're picking tracks that go together, such as in the same key, you'll have little to do to keep things from clashing, you'll find they often will compliment each other and make a fuller sounding mix |
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