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House Mixing techniques with CDJs (pg. 4)
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| n3lly |
First decent thread in the DJ Booth in quite some time.
I completely agree about track selection. A mate of mine turned around the other day and said the dj's skills are 90% of the package. I set him straight and let him know it was actually 90 odd percent Track Selection.
Anyway, Effects are there to be used. But are used 7/10 in the wrong way. I'd rather have them there than not as every now and again I like to add a little something, usually a little delay or a little reverb. Again once maybe twice a set.
Haven't really messed with doubling up tracks that much although I do like the effect it gives when you slow them down/speed the track up. |
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| notelfreak |
| bad djs are like sinn fein a necessity but they really need to move aside and let the real solution take place:p |
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| Teezdalien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
yea, that's what i'm talking about, do it the old and proper way by layering beats and acapellas over top to create something new, you don't need effects and loops to do that
effects are less is more, the less you use them the more they're going to have an impact when you do use them
and the key is subtlety, you want to be gentle, the wet/dry knob is not a dirty whore, don't just slam it in there, you have to ease it in, unless the track just calls for a dirty slut approach, then have at er
you want to make the effects seem like they were part of the original recording
i just don't understand looping, if the song has a 30 second mix, i'm going to mix it in 30 seconds and make it sound good, hence my looping is for pussies comment (mind you i was right faced, but still the truth regardless) |
Come on man, it's ing 2009! No one is doing anything new mixing 2 or three tracks together. Besides it takes a certain level of skill to use effects properly and effectively and when done right, sounds great, simple as that! Sure too much effects will ruin a set, but imo these posts and arguments come off both cocky and naive.
Phasing with 2 copies of a record is fun though!:p |
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| notelfreak |
| and efx units have existed for a long time and you are doing nothing new by using them either. If you just wanna take the easy way out fine, but don't give me the its 2009 bull:p |
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| Teezdalien |
| Yeah but seriously, where the would electronic music be without effects.:conf: |
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| Zild |
Freak, Tony, and the others who agree with them have it spot on. The rest of you should take some tips from them. It will make you a better DJ.
I use the out of FX, Filters, and 3rd/4th decks, but that all comes with time and really needs to be done sparingly and tastefully.
I'm a huge proponent of doubling tracks since I have the luxury of Traktor Scratch, and I also use outboard guitar stomp box FX on the auxiliary of my A&H. And I started out as a turntablist.
90-95% of the time you will find me mixing straight up with just the gain/faders to do 2-4 minute transitions with sparing use of the EQs. |
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| Teezdalien |
| I agree with what Tony and Jay are saying somewhat with overusing them but I just don't get why they are are completely knocking the use of effects. They allow for simple alterations/manipulations that can't be achieved by layering sounds on one another. Why is that such a bad thing to be doing? |
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| notelfreak |
i have a distaste for efx because 99% of the time they are over done. A little delay never hurt anyone, but too much pew pew pow pow really ruins the music for me.
the way it is used also often leads to killing the natural flow of a set. Flow is something that i find very important, and it is one of the hardest skills to master imo as a dj.
example: i'll be grooving along nicely to a great track on the dance floor, and then here comes this break that totally makes me stop moving and gets me off of my vibe(not a drug thing). Instead of giving me some more beats over the break to keep me moving, i get an effect laden break in an attempt for me to have a hands in the air moment and pay attention to the dj.
That is not what i am there for, keep me moving please. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Teezdalien
I agree with what Tony and Jay are saying somewhat with overusing them but I just don't get why they are are completely knocking the use of effects. They allow for simple alterations/manipulations that can't be achieved by layering sounds on one another. Why is that such a bad thing to be doing? |
probably because almost everyone who thinks they're doing smooth with FX is just not
Zabs and Halliwell are prime examples. |
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| notelfreak |
the only djs i enjoy watching like a hawk are turntablists (haliwell is not one, trancers just think so because they do not know any better).
everyone is always like omg zabiela is so crazy.
i am like:
he is the dj that i have seen that has made me dance the least out of anyone that i have ever seen.
stop putting that on a pedestal, you remember when he throws up klingon hand gestures only because the musical experience is entirely forgettable. |
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| Zild |
| Yes I come from a turntablist/underground hip hop background and what Zabs does just makes me want to cry. |
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| snatonsb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Yes I come from a turntablist/underground hip hop background and what Zabs does just makes me want to cry. |
Why is that...? Could you please elaborate more...? I think he is a great dj. |
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