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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
No, actually, the problem is people who feel the need to post about every thought that enters their tiny minds, no matter how insipid and idiotic the topic may be, and then blame the problem on people who dare to vocalize their disagreement/disdain instead of walking away (and thus, giving tacit support).
We already have 50 "software vs. hardware" threads. Even if you absolutely had to tell everybody what you read on some sample site, it sure as hell wasn't thread-worthy, you could have posted it in one of the other discussions. |
I think you are being a bit sensitive, for every 1 flamebait thread there are what? 9 that are not. Is this really a huge issue? The issue some are whining about isnt anywhere near what it is being made out to be. I find this concerted "we need teh moderations" growingly weird. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I've never really used VSTis. I started either before they were immensly popular or just before I joined an online community thus had no idea what I was doing ... so my first instrument was a real physical keyboard. Nine years later I still use only "hardware" ... NL3, Virus Ti, Alesis Andy, Prophet 08. I don't even have ROMplers like NeXus or Omnisphere. I agree, it does sound better. If anyone disagrees: you, have fun with your -synths.
VST effects are somewhat of a different story. The hardware processors do sound better, but not by a whole lot. Certainly not enough to justify cost and complication. Waves/Universal Audio FTW.
What we really need here is either a VST processors vs analog processors debate OR an integrated chips vs discrete circuitry debate. :D |
Your allowed to say stuff like that because you've been here forever, and have produced awesome stuff, and you know what your talking about.
But I'm going to pull you up on the fact that you clearly have no idea what omnisphere is all about, despite the fact its been mentioned in two threads in the last week.
You also don't seem to understand that ALL synths (even analogue ones) use integrated circuits these days AFAIK. No one does p2p wiring anymore, and I agree that maybe thats a loss. I know that p2p wired guitar amps are better than integrated circuit amps, so I assumed the same applies for synths. Unless you were just being a smart arse:p |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Your allowed to say stuff like that because you've been here forever, and have produced awesome stuff, and you know what your talking about.
But I'm going to pull you up on the fact that you clearly have no idea what omnisphere is all about, despite the fact its been mentioned in two threads in the last week.
You also don't seem to understand that ALL synths (even analogue ones) use integrated circuits these days AFAIK. No one does p2p wiring anymore, and I agree that maybe thats a loss. I know that p2p wired guitar amps are better than integrated circuit amps, so I assumed the same applies for synths. Unless you were just being a smart arse:p |
I'll admit that I got a pirated copy of Omnisphere and used it for a total of about 20 minutes. I later formatted and never bothered to reinstall (so I deleted the ISOs). I do remember reading something about it not being entirely a ROMpler, but it's still based on samples. In my book, it's still a ROMpler, albeit an advanced one.
Moog still does discrete circuits. That's what they're all about!
Edit: I suppose, though, that my first comment of "never using a VSTi" completely negates my later comment of "hardware sounds better". So I will say that I have "tried" VSTis. But, as with Omnisphere, it was limited to a 20-30minute pirated/trial copy that I later deleted in disgust. |
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| Kismet7 |
ahhh...Analogue circuitry...that is so beautiful. It is like seeing a pretty girl you've seen for the first time at a party, and shes standing besides a pool, and on her face the reflections of water is glistening as she sips her virgin drink, wondering what I creep I am for staring at her. :tongue2 |
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| Subtle |
This discussion is like a broken record.
Take the quality of synthesizers out of the equation, and you are left with the remaining 90% of other factors needed to have a quality output in your music. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
This discussion is like a broken record.
Take the quality of synthesizers out of the equation, and you are left with the remaining 90% of other factors needed to have a quality output in your music. |
I disagree. If someone can name a softsynth that has the same techy awesomeness of a NL3 or raw fatness of an Andromeda, I'd like to hear. If an artist has capabilities such as those and his music still is indistinguishable from someone using reason, v-station, or to a lesser extent, the common Virus, there's a problem. |
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| alanzo |
Although good music can certainly be made with the crappiest of instruments... Daniel Kandi is my favorite example. I think the response everyone gives when someone asks what DAW to use is also appropriate here: "Whatever you're most comfortable with.".
No one but my own experience will ever convince me to trust my basslines and leads to software. I just know that hardware sounds good. But if someone else's experience tells him that software also sounds good, then go for it. There *is* a lot more room for originality in song writing than there is in instrumentation.
Me, though, I guess I rely on my instruments more for originality because I feel that in our 21st century world of software, good ol' classic analog combined with well thought-out digital instrumentation gives my tracks that techy originality I strive for. I'm most comfortable in front of my NL3. It's practically an extension of myself and no software can ever come close to that simply because of the experience I've had. There are dozens of excellent artists who can attribute the same to software.
So there's really no point in arguing, because in the right hands, they both sound like . :p |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I'll admit that I got a pirated copy of Omnisphere and used it for a total of about 20 minutes. I later formatted and never bothered to reinstall (so I deleted the ISOs). I do remember reading something about it not being entirely a ROMpler, but it's still based on samples. In my book, it's still a ROMpler, albeit an advanced one.
Moog still does discrete circuits. That's what they're all about!
Edit: I suppose, though, that my first comment of "never using a VSTi" completely negates my later comment of "hardware sounds better". So I will say that I have "tried" VSTis. But, as with Omnisphere, it was limited to a 20-30minute pirated/trial copy that I later deleted in disgust. |
I don't believe you downloaded 40 gigs worth of pirated program and then deleted it. And thats not discrete wiring. I might be very wrong (echosystem knows more?) but thats an integrated circuit mate. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I disagree. If someone can name a softsynth that has the same techy awesomeness of a NL3 or raw fatness of an Andromeda, I'd like to hear. If an artist has capabilities such as those and his music still is indistinguishable from someone using reason, v-station, or to a lesser extent, the common Virus, there's a problem. |
Thats fine, i have the same opinion as you about hardware synthesizers and such, they sound fantastic in comparison to a lot of software.
My point is that no matter how great your synthesizers and equipment is, you still need SKILL, TALENT, and EXPERIENCE to make quality music.
Having great synthesizers at your disposal is only great when you have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, having good gear will only raise the output of your quality just slightly, the rest is simply how good you are.
I agree that the NL3, Virus, Andromeda and Moog etc. clearly is one of the best sounding synthesizers ever made, but that does not mean some talented youngster with FL Studio and 3xOSC cant sound ten times better than a someone with his room filled of expensive gear.
The quality of the synthesizers you use is just a tiny piece of the whole puzzle. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I don't believe you downloaded 40 gigs worth of pirated program and then deleted it. And thats not discrete wiring. I might be very wrong (echosystem knows more?) but thats an integrated circuit mate. |
Belive it.
Nooo it isn't. Hah. The Prophet 08 has ICs. Its guts look about 1/20th as complicated as a Voyager. I wish I could find a pic of the prophet's insides... I know it's somewhere, I just can't find.
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Thats fine, i have the same opinion as you about hardware synthesizers and such, they sound fantastic in comparison to a lot of software.
My point is that no matter how great your synthesizers and equipment is, you still need SKILL, TALENT, and EXPERIENCE to make quality music.
Having great synthesizers at your disposal is only great when you have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, having good gear will only raise the output of your quality just slightly, the rest is simply how good you are.
I agree that the NL3, Virus, Andromeda and Moog etc. clearly is one of the best sounding synthesizers ever made, but that does not mean some talented youngster with FL Studio and 3xOSC cant sound ten times better than a someone with his room filled of expensive gear.
The quality of the synthesizers you use is just a tiny piece of the whole puzzle.
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Well, as I said, I think we can all agree that in the right hands, they both sound like .
Edit, find the pic:
The Prophet 08's voice board is in the back. You can see how it's the same thing eight times, one for each voice. Look how simple it is compared the the Voyager! That's because all of those parts on the voyager are compressed onto a single chip. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
You can get awesome sounds out of software. I just think it takes more work. It seems like practically everything I do on my Moog sounds at least decent and usable, where I don't get that with most softsynths. But maybe I'm just fooling myself.
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You can get awesome sounds of software. I just think it takes more work. It seems like practically everything I do on my Moog sounds at least decent and usable, where I don't get that with most softsynths. But maybe I'm just fooling myself.
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You certainly are not. Just take the default patch, turn the filter down and you already have a great deep bass which is highly usable. |
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