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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
You certainly are not. Just take the default patch, turn the filter down and you already have a great deep bass which is highly usable. |
Errr... thats because its so simple you can't bugger it up...
Alanzo, I'm waiting for echosystem to tell us which one is right. he knows more about circuits than I do. But I'm pretty sure that any sort of green boards at all = integrated circuits. P2P wiring looks like this, its the inside of a p2p guitar amp.
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| echosystm |
I only really know about digital circuits in the context of computer science - logic gates, truth tables, adders, binary multipliers, all that (I'm sure Alan knows this stuff too). I probably only know slightly more than the layperson about actual electronics lol.
Point to point wiring, breadboards and PCBs do not differentiate between an IC or discrete circuit. You can have an IC on a PCB/p2p/breadboard and you can have a discrete circuit on a PCB/p2p/breadboard. This is just the material used to connect . Mass produced products are usually done with PCBs, because the process can be automated. Point to point wiring obviously has to be done by hand. I've never heard of anyone using a breadboard in a commercial product, but I would assume the same applies there.
An IC is a circuit where everything is smashed into one silicone wafer. One chip, in isolation, is one IC. A discrete circuit is obviously where you have a set of individual (discrete) electronic components, such as resistors and so on.
In that photo Alan posted, you have a bunch of discrete circuits and a bunch of ICs. If you were looking at the whole thing as one circuit, it would be a hybrid circuit. Looking at individual circuits within the synth, the memory is obviously all ICs. In comparison, the oscillators and would be totally discrete.
EDIT: Just to clarify... an IC can be digital, analogue or mixed. People seem to assume that an IC = a digital circuit. That isn't the case. Examples of digital ICs are microprocessors, DSPs, etc. Opamps are an example of an analogue IC. I'm pretty sure ADC and DAC chips are mixed, because they have the digital side and the analogue side all in one unit. Don't quote me on that though haha. |
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| Detuned |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I've never really used VSTis. I don't even have ROMplers like NeXus or Omnisphere. |
Weren't you a happy user of nexus for it's pads etc., i remember you posting some stuff about it and atmosphere, even pics as far as i remember on AP.net;) |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
I only really know about digital circuits in the context of computer science - logic gates, truth tables, adders, binary multipliers, all that (I'm sure Alan knows this stuff too). I probably only know slightly more than the layperson about actual electronics lol.
Point to point wiring, breadboards and PCBs do not differentiate between an IC or discrete circuit. You can have an IC on a PCB/p2p/breadboard and you can have a discrete circuit on a PCB/p2p/breadboard. This is just the material used to connect . Mass produced products are usually done with PCBs, because the process can be automated. Peer to peer wiring obviously has to be done by hand. I've never heard of anyone using a breadboard in a commercial product, but I would assume the same applies there.
An IC is a circuit where everything is smashed into one silicone wafer. One chip, in isolation, is one IC. A discrete circuit is obviously where you have a set of individual (discrete) electronic components, such as resistors and so on.
In that photo Alan posted, you have a bunch of discrete circuits and a bunch of ICs. If you were looking at the whole thing as one circuit, it would be a hybrid circuit. Looking at individual circuits within the synth, the memory is obviously all ICs. In comparison, the oscillators and would be totally discrete.
EDIT: Just to clarify... an IC can be digital, analogue or mixed. People seem to assume that an IC = a digital circuit. That isn't the case. Examples of digital ICs are microprocessors, DSPs, etc. Opamps are an example of an analogue IC. I'm pretty sure ADC and DAC chips are mixed, because they have the digital side and the analogue side all in one unit. Don't quote me on that though haha. |
Seems I'm wrong then. Thanks for clarifying that:happy2:
I think that's what I meant alanzo, was that most synths use PCBs which are inferior, got them confused with ICs. I'm :conf: it seems.
Anyway. ICs would be the same as discrete circuits I would think in terms of sound quality... it would have more to do with the quality of the PCBs/wiring used. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I think that's what I meant alanzo, was that most synths use PCBs which are inferior, got them confused with ICs. I'm :conf: it seems.
Anyway. ICs would be the same as discrete circuits I would think in terms of sound quality... it would have more to do with the quality of the PCBs/wiring used. |
ICs would actually behave a fair bit different from discrete circuits. This would probably make more difference than PCB vs. wiring. |
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| Storyteller |
The quality of sounds lies in the producer's hands. Some need hardware to get there, some software. There's both hardware and software music which is great. The question of "is hardware better or is software?" entirely depends on the context. Not the fact that it's done by hardware or software.
Edit: Now that I read part of the thread I'm glad to see that finally everyone seems to agree :D. F moderators, we just got one of the most heated subjects all worked out - the rest is cake :D |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
ICs would actually behave a fair bit different from discrete circuits. This would probably make more difference than PCB vs. wiring. |
Ah blow it. I clearly have no idea, I'm bowing out of this discussion. I know when to shut up.:p
Why is that, out of curiousity, what are the differences? Point me to a wiki link if theres an explanation on there... |
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| xphonix |
| quote: | | If vipzone says it - it MUST be true! |
That quote made me laugh. IMO VIPzone samples are absolutely terrible. I bought some of their sounds a while ago and they were that bad i just deleted them from my hard drive lol.
Back on topic.
I do believe there is a slight difference in quality between VST and hardware. The difference is massive when talking analog synths.
The only VAs that sound slightly better to me are the nord 2x and alesis ION. Virus has horrible oscillators imo. Very dark and muddy sounding. I much prefer the sounds of the nords, any analog synth and even some softsynths. |
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| Fledz |
I don't give two flying s and another flying with a added on top of that about what was used to create a track. If a track sounds good, then those who argue about it being hardware, software, a hybrid or what it should be can go and get ed.
Hardware both rocks and sucks.
Software both rocks and sucks.
Those of you who hold hardware up like you're sacrificing a lamb to a God need to get real and grow up. Plenty of music is produced with software and with hardware, in MOST cases a combination of both. Best of both worlds.
Jesus Christ on a stick. This thread needed a lock from the get go :rolleyes: |
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| [Alpha]Dave |
| NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Not another hardware vs. software thread!! *brain mallfunction* :( |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave
*brain mallfunction* :( |
See?
Hardware is . |
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