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Are religious people happier? (pg. 4)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Thats how you know it's bull. No one can be forced into belief. Not true belief anyway. |
Nope, no one can be forced to believe something they don't want to believe. Even if it's true. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Friends and acquaintances.
This isn't a scientific study... |
oh...... theeeeeeeeeeeeen wtf |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Nope, no one can be forced to believe something they don't want to believe. Even if it's true. |
Bull. What about people who want to believe it is true, but just can't? Should they be condemned by their reason? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Bull. What about people who want to believe it is true, but just can't? Should they be condemned by their reason? |
Well, now you'r bringing up another hypothetical. All I said is people can't be forced believe something they don't want to believe. I said nothing about condemnation of anyone. |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Well, now you'r bringing up another hypothetical. All I said is people can't be forced believe something they don't want to believe. I said nothing about condemnation of anyone. |
It was in relation to that bible verse you posted. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
It was in relation to that bible verse you posted. |
I think it's pretty self-explanatory. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
I don't really understand why it bothers any of you if someone is happy and has religion in their life (whatever form). It isn't bothering you. You can continue on about your days "pragmatic and miserable" and in you looming depression scowl at those that are happy (whether or not it is due to religion you can't actually know) and nothing will change. So why, is it such a big deal to you, that religion might make someone comforted and in fact, happy? |
Religion is a lot like those tweens/basement dwellers that like to dress up like their favourite videogame characters and meet in the woods to role-play. You remember that one video? "Lightning bolt, ligtning bolt!" Yeah, those people. Well pretend those people controlled very powerful facets of your country and became gravely offended if you were to question it.
Sure, I could be like "yeah, you know, whatever makes people happy or helps then get through the dark times, ya know?" Or I could sit upon my pearly tower and cast derision at all that I see. Do you really need any help to see the merit in my choice? |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Nope, it's a requisite for a good Christian to live an apostolic mission... spreading the gospel can be interpreted as an apostolic mission; however, most Christians take this to be more akin to living as Christ did... serving those who are in need or otherwise persecuted. |
Nailing each other to crosses? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Mark 16
15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. |
Oh how I love when people pick one verse and quote it out of context. This verse is a commission to the 12 and only the 12. It should also be pointed out that this is likely a verse that was added to Mark long after The Gospel of Mark was actually written as none of the early manuscripts contain any verses after Mark 16:8.
Most Christian scholars look to John 13 as the best source for the apostolic mission:
| quote: | Originally posted by John
12When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. 13"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. |
You see in this passage that Jesus' directive is to serve the unclean (which in the time of Jesus would have been a clear reference to sinners, as sin was believed to be the cause for the worst hardships suffered). This directive is far more consistent with the overall message of Jesus' ministry and; perhaps more importantly, with the actual practice of Jesus' ministry, as Jesus healed the sick (as illness was thought to be caused by sin healing the sick would be interpreted as a cleansing of sins), serve the poor, accept the prostitutes/adulterers/gentiles/etc. that the established Jewish hierarchy would shun.
You can't pick quotes in isolation and out of context with an anthology as complex as the bible... you need to look at themes. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Bull. What about people who want to believe it is true, but just can't? Should they be condemned by their reason? |
I think I have explained in length that those who actually understand the Gospels don't accept that anyone is condemned to anything... if the Christian faith is correct (big IF there, of course) then condemnation is done by the individual and individual alone by a choice to reject God, which is to say reject love. Anyone who tells you that you're going to hell because you're not a Christian (of any sect) doesn't understand their own faith. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| Despite all my "Yeah God!" posts I have to concede that my religion does not make me happy.... I was happy when I was agnostic and I'm happy now. That said, I don't think the goal of my religion is happiness; rather, peace... I'm not sure I've reached that. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Oh how I love when people pick one verse and quote it out of context. |
you mean the way the catholic church does re gays, masturbation or contraception? :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Despite all my "Yeah God!" posts |
:stongue: dude, these threads would suck major arse without your input. ive learned way more from you than i ever did in religious studies :) |
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