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My kicks not big enough ;-) (pg. 2)
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| cryophonik |
| Too many young producers place way too much emphasis on the kick IMO. I don't think I've posted a song in 2 years that hasn't gotten some negative comment about the kick, and those comments are almost always made by newbies because they rarely have anything substantial to offer regarding the real substance of the song. So, my advice is do yourself a favor and take a look at who is giving you those comments before you drive yourself crazy trying to satisfy everybody. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bayou Boy
Hell, if you get a good one stick with it. PVD has been using the same kick forever. |
I will, once i find it !! |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Too many young producers place way too much emphasis on the kick IMO. I don't think I've posted a song in 2 years that hasn't gotten some negative comment about the kick, and those comments are almost always made by newbies because they rarely have anything substantial to offer regarding the real substance of the song. |
LOL. The kick is all-important! The most crucial part of a track... :p
I just use one-shot samples. I don't mind re-using kicks because I don't see the point in spending a lot of time on an element that most people won't find memorable in the least. |
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| david.michael |
A lot of times, it's not the kick...it's everything that's surrounding it.
Agreed on the other comment about other conflicting low-frequency sounds. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| It's not like the kick is the main sound in the mix or anything. Kicks are fairly easy you just have to know what to look for and how to shape it the way you want in order to accomplish the sound you're going for. |
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| floyd741 |
| I always just use a 909 kick and mess with it to get the particular sound I want. It's too much work messing around with a lot of different sounds for a part that, in the end, won't matter as much as everything else, imo. |
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| evo8 |
Kicks are all important imo, its what drives the track and is the loudest part of the track in most cases.
A standard 909 thru a good compressor, maybe slightly layered with a short release 808 will bring you most of the way but..
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
its about the right kick, which makes it all much harder :) |
..very true! |
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| flutlicht junky |
| I found a great kick by simply cutting one from a track i like and loop it in my seq with it on the 1st and 3rd beat of a bar loop. I then auditioned my way through my kick collection until I found one that had similar characteristics. It turned out to b very different from the type I would have pulled out normally and is now the foundation of every track, I just layer a different attack to it. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
I found a great kick by simply cutting one from a track i like and loop it in my seq with it on the 1st and 3rd beat of a bar loop. I then auditioned my way through my kick collection until I found one that had similar characteristics. It turned out to b very different from the type I would have pulled out normally and is now the foundation of every track, I just layer a different attack to it. |
Ive never actually stolen a kick, maybe that is something to try.
When u steal kicks do you use mp3s or do you hunt down the Wav ? |
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| Waza |
| If your taking a sample of a kick from a audio source always make it a wave file never mp3. |
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| derail |
It's about having a selection of high quality samples. For kicks, either Vengeance (Essential Clubsounds) or Thomas Penton Essentials are quality sources. Lots of clean, powerful kicks in those series.
Finding the right sample is crucial. With the right sample you can just drop it into the mix, let it go straight to your master channel with zero compression/ EQ or anything, and it'll sound great. With the wrong sample you can drive yourself crazy - layering 3 kicks, compressing and limiting, using EQ boosts, and it still doesn't sound right.
For trance, the choice of kick has a huge impact on the overall sound. Depending whether you go with a soft, bassy one, a punchy hard-hitting one, a defined smooth one, or whatever, the kick plays a massive role in defining the overall sound of the song.
I'd suggest buying some quality samples, finding a kick which sounds the way you want it, then build up the other sounds around it - if at some point the kick loses it's impact in the mix, look at what sounds you've added, and why they've caused the kick to lose it's impact. If you try to make all the other sounds big and punchy, naturally the kick will lose more and more of it's impact in comparison. |
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| Subtle |
| and then you need to fit the bassline to the kickdrum.. if those two sound great together as good as half the track is done imo |
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