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My kicks not big enough ;-) (pg. 4)
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
Back on topic.
Here are a few tips that work well.
When working on your drum material, make sure that it is in sync. Remove the blanks at the beginning if there's one. Even better, Remove the very first part of your kick for example, you know, the audio material that fades in right before the kick really jumps in level. We're talking about a sample or two at the beginning. Cut off-axis and you'll hear the difference.
Secondly, you can easily beef up your kick by layering it with another one. Take this new kick , repeat the operation above, and then cut the low freqs.
It's all about precision.
I have a lot more tips for kicks, hats, snares, claps and co. |
when you layer kicks, and remove the low frequencies off one of them, wouldn't the high frequencies clash with eachother |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reno
Also try using Waves RBass plugin. Probably the best EQ plugin I've ever heard for kicks and bass. I mean the sample is still important but RBass is like a magic wand!! |
It's good to see everyone buying Waves products and supporting them. Some people may think they're overpriced, but obviously there are enough of us who want to keep this company in business. Sonic_c has also bought some Waves plugins, according to his original post.
However, compression, EQ and processors such as RBass should only be used sparingly, in my opinion. I heard a comment a while back, similar to this "magic wand" comment, about someone who seems to use RBass on their kick almost every single song. These processors are often used as bandaids, and the end result isn't as good as finding great sounds which fit well together without any processing. Though it does take a lot of experience, a lot of time putting sounds together in the studio, to recognise fantastic combinations.
It's always an interesting exercise, spending a session putting sound combinations together (kick, bass(es), pad, drums) - not taking too long with each one, just using a single chord/ bass note, and putting together ten different combinations, without using effects. Render a bar or two of each combination to WAV, listen to all the combinations at the end of the session - some will sound bad, others will sound a lot better. You learn a lot about finding sounds that fit together, and have some good starting points, sound-wise, for future productions, rather than spending hours trying to get a set of ill-matched sounds to fit together by using heaps of effects. |
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| Derivative |
Am I the only one puerile enough to have accidentally read the title as: my dicks not big enough?
Oh well. :happy2: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
Am I the only one puerile enough to have accidentally read the title as: my dicks not big enough? |
I'm pretty sure the winking smiley face in the title was an implied reference to that. |
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| Reno |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
However, compression, EQ and processors such as RBass should only be used sparingly, in my opinion. |
Craziest thing I ever heard!! If you think it makes your mix sound better then use it. That's why it was created in the first place. Any professional mixing engineer will tell you they will use whatever tools they have at their dispossal and if you've ever mixed on analog equipment, you would understand why plugins like RBass are so brilliant in the digital world. Why spend hours searching through samples and layering sounds if a plugin gives you the sound you're looking for? Plus layering kicks is going to require loads of EQ anyway as there are bound to be overlapping frequencies. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
when you layer kicks, and remove the low frequencies off one of them, wouldn't the high frequencies clash with eachother |
Do you want to have big kicks or not? If you're not sure, shelf the highs of the lower kick, but you'll have a frequency gap if you shelf too much hi. And clashing occurs when elements don't play the same thing. We're talking about a bass drum here.
So, give it a try and tell me what you think. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
Do you want to have big kicks or not? If you're not sure, shelf the highs of the lower kick, but you'll have a frequency gap if you shelf too much hi. And clashing occurs when elements don't play the same thing. We're talking about a bass drum here.
So, give it a try and tell me what you think. |
ok i will, thanks Lolo |
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| johncannons1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nmafpi
I made this kick by layering 3 kicks together and compressing using waves api 2500. I had a ratio of 5:1 threshold of about 16db and made up some gain. Is it right does it sound big enough. The reason is whenever I make a track and i mean whenever people always say your kick is no where near big enough. Then they advise me to compress compress compress well Im lost because I did that in my last tune and people are still saying it.
PS sorry for posting so many threads had a week off just been sat around making music etc. |
I just bought xfer sample pack and it's VERY good
I have a vengence one too but the xfer isgood
The kicks are ready to go.. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reno
Craziest thing I ever heard!! If you think it makes your mix sound better then use it. That's why it was created in the first place. Any professional mixing engineer will tell you they will use whatever tools they have at their dispossal and if you've ever mixed on analog equipment, you would understand why plugins like RBass are so brilliant in the digital world. Why spend hours searching through samples and layering sounds if a plugin gives you the sound you're looking for? Plus layering kicks is going to require loads of EQ anyway as there are bound to be overlapping frequencies. |
I wasn't talking about layering - just choosing a single sample that fits perfectly. It doesn't take hours if you're familiar with your samples.
I don't understand your point about RBass and it's relationship to mixing on analog equipment. Could you please expand on that?
Also, your point about the plugin giving you the sound you're looking for - you would still need to choose the correct sample, wouldn't you? Or do you only have a single kick sample, then adjust it using RBass, EQ, compression, timestretching and so on? |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
when you layer kicks, and remove the low frequencies off one of them, wouldn't the high frequencies clash with eachother |
heard of mixing?? djs face this problem all the time, you just have to find ones that don't clash. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
heard of mixing?? djs face this problem all the time, you just have to find ones that don't clash. |
nope never heard of it |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
All I know about kicks:
My favorite is Robbie Troncos from Oompa Loopa. There is not other kick in the world like it. That kick breaks through any mix even at low volumes.
It is the bounciest, sharpest, cleanest kick ever made, and it does NOT sound "big".
It sounds like a little miniature hydrogen bomb going off every bar (note I said "miniature")
I have been trying to get that similar dynamic in my kicks but its SOOO ING HARD. |
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