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Danny Howells - Moon EP (pg. 4)
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Maybe you should try comprehending my post, the first few words primarily. |
Well, it was as useful as burning a track twice on a CD.
And you're ing killing this forum with your overanalysis of every single release. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Well, it was as useful as burning a track twice on a CD.
And you're ing killing this forum with your overanalysis of every single release. |
The Irony...
Isnt that your sad purpose in life since 2004 and at the moment? Say it isnt lol.
Im overanalyzing music on a music forum? What the are you doing here then, besides wasting your life away? Have you asked yourself that burning question? At least im putting this forum to its proper use, you should try it.
And its pretty sad that you cant stomach analysis. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
How is 'On The Moon' safe and boring? I can easily cripple your argument, if you want to define what you mean by safe and boring. Besides how vague is "bland, safe and boring." So please do define safe and boring, because it is not making an ounce of sense in relation to this release, especially On The Moon. |
Bland, safe, boring = uses tired sounds, and ones that aren't even very interesting (to me at least); follows an extremely predictable path in terms of arrangement and themes; uses a noisy LFOish buildup to end the breakdown rather than creating and releasing any genuine *musical* tension; and in general does nothing other than exactly what I would expect from Generic Prog Houser #141235432646.
Of course, even music that does all of that stuff *can* still be very good if it makes up for it with an inspired melody or an infectious rhythm. But "On The Moon" has neither of those things.
Certainly a lot of this stuff is subjective. Maybe I'm just old and jaded and don't get what makes today's prog so wonderful...
| quote: | | And what you linked is apples and oranges to this music. This track is obviously the type of House that Desyn got famous for pushing between 2004-2006, what is in that link is the deeper and darker Prog stuff that was the soundtrack of 1999-2004. So your argument is that "this isnt that good old prog." Which is really not that great of an argument take up against 'On The Moon.' |
Look closer in that thread. There are plenty of things that don't fall into the category of dark and chunky early '00s prog. The very first post contains videos of a set from Sasha which has nothing of the sort. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Bland, safe, boring = uses tired sounds, and ones that aren't even very interesting (to me at least); follows an extremely predictable path in terms of arrangement and themes; uses a noisy LFOish buildup to end the breakdown rather than creating and releasing any genuine *musical* tension; and in general does nothing other than exactly what I would expect from Generic Prog Houser #141235432646.
Of course, even music that does all of that stuff *can* still be very good if it makes up for it with an inspired melody or an infectious rhythm. But "On The Moon" has neither of those things.
Certainly a lot of this stuff is subjective. Maybe I'm just old and jaded and don't get what makes today's prog so wonderful...
Look closer in that thread. There are plenty of things that don't fall into the category of dark and chunky early '00s prog. The very first post contains videos of a set from Sasha which has nothing of the sort. |
...your definition of bland/boring could be applied to virtually every piece of music that is coming out, and music that you likely have big upped in the past. Your argument also limits you quite a bit, and im wondering what music do you actually find great these days in the Progressive House genre? Not much right? So again your opinion not only is off base but its about a track in a genre you dont enjoy much. So how is it worth much, or worth enough to ask someone who is enjoying this music why they are enjoying it, when you don't really enjoy the music, and have a rather vague reason for why you dont.
Not to mention your argument is blaming the structures of the genre, and an arrangement technique used in the track instead of how well it was implemented. Musically, the track actually has a lot of things going for it, and a lot of work likely went into it. A good amount more than the average track that gets pimped here as a great piece of music.
And the middle portion of your reply, yup out of touch. The melodies and the groove are actually good here, and there is a lot of to look at there. Actually the groove is quite good. Are you serious? haha...the groove and melodies of all things? The groove is top shelf for Progressive House. I did look close at that thread, and there is room for this type of Progressive House and room for the type that was 1999-2004, I enjoy both. Cause as you can see, I still enjoy good music, from whatever genre it might be, and that is also reflected in the music I make.
Its kinda funny that you can call this generic, when you probably listen to generic music all day. What electronic music do you actually like? Because I can easily make a case for it being generic, bland, boring, using YOUR own definition. Mainly because your argument is poor. You should have thought up something more clever to defend your view with. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Well, it was as useful as burning a track twice on a CD.
And you're ing killing this forum with your overanalysis of every single release. |
This one deserves a second reply.
Seriously...why you mad that I don't follow any TA hiveminds? O noezzz he is questioning our hiveminded opinion and wants to discuss and analyze music, why is he actually using the site for what it was for? He is ruining teh forumzzz for us. Unlike you, obviously I actually study the music...because I still enjoy it and I produce/engineer/mix it. You should be happy someone is questioning the ganging up lord of the flies mentality that has actually done more to kill TA than anything I can think of. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Your argument also limits you quite a bit, and im wondering what music do you actually find great these days in the Progressive House genre? Not much right? So again your opinion not only is off base but its about a track in a genre you dont enjoy much. |
These days, not much at all. But prog (both house and trance) was my first love in terms of electronic music. I got into it via GU compilations by Sasha, John Digweed, Dave Seaman, and I'll always love those tunes that first inspired my passion for dance music. Way Out West, early James Holden, Quivver, Oliver Lieb, Bedrock, Breeder, Tilt, POB, Evolution. All those guys.
Anyway, you're obviously passionate about the stuff you enjoy as well, even if I don't think it's worth the energy you spend defending it. Reactions to music differ, not much to be done about that I guess. I'm glad you're having a nice time with the tunes you love. Maybe we can even find some tracks to agree on in the future.
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
These days, not much at all. But prog (both house and trance) was my first love in terms of electronic music. I got into it via GU compilations by Sasha, John Digweed, Dave Seaman, and I'll always love those tunes that first inspired my passion for dance music. Way Out West, early James Holden, Quivver, Oliver Lieb, Bedrock, Breeder, Tilt, POB, Evolution. All those guys.
Anyway, you're obviously passionate about the stuff you enjoy as well, even if I don't think it's worth the energy you spend defending it. Reactions to music differ, not much to be done about that I guess. I'm glad you're having a nice time with the tunes you love. Maybe we can even find some tracks to agree on in the future.
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I dont think im using much energy defending the music, I think the music does defend itself fairly well. This track is going to do well regardless of the hate its getting from the uber elite small hivemind group that does not like it. If you guys dont know by now, you guys probably share the opinion of maybe 1% of people who listen to this music. Thats not a really big pie for someone like Danny Howells or this music to worry about or have to defend.
The reason why I put energy in this one, is because how blatantly off base the views and how hiveminded the views were, so I thought I'd share an alternate view on this one, especially since its a good piece of music by a talented DJ/Producer. Which is quite the accomplishment when a lot of the top DJs really dont make their own music, and sit next to a person they call "engineer" as they watch the "engineer" produce the entire track for them, or i'm guesing in a lot of cases the track is emailed to the DJ to look over and see if they'd like to stamp their name on it, so they dont even have to sit next the "engineeer". I mean if we were to have a witch hunt for which DJs produce all of their own music, quite a few DJs and Producers would be burned. DJs and Producers that people unknowingly jump up and down to.
The main reason a lot of old school DJs also produce is because they had the DJ portion down, and through the times and gigs they met engineers that had the smart idea of "what if I make music for you, and you stamp your own name on it, and pay me a nice flat fee advance or most of the sales that your successful name can pull in, not to mention it will make you even more famous DJ." Smart business for both sides.
As far as agreeing on music in the future, sure that'd be nice, but not essential. I don't think we can learn many new things by agreeing, but if it happens, cool. :toothless |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| But I don't think the people who posted in this thread represent a "hive mind" at all. Mark Anthony, wotyzoid, woscar, elFreak, Clovis, Nostalgic, all those guys listen to different kinds of music, and all of them have argued vigorously with each other in the past. Nostalgic and elFreak even troll each other, LOL. I don't think this can be represented as a situation of "allies" or a "hive" banding together to hate on poor Danny Howells, especially since most (maybe all?) of those guys love his work as a DJ. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But I don't think the people who posted in this thread represent a "hive mind" at all. Mark Anthony, wotyzoid, woscar, elFreak, Clovis, Nostalgic, all those guys listen to different kinds of music, and all of them have argued vigorously with each other in the past. Nostalgic and elFreak even troll each other, LOL. I don't think this can be represented as a situation of "allies" or a "hive" banding together to hate on poor Danny Howells, especially since most (maybe all?) of those guys love his work as a DJ. |
Now we are getting into semantics. Do we really want to? A hivemind can happen in any thread by any group of people, with people interchanged in and out, without a relation to past or future shared ideas. There are a few characters that usually end up as part of the same hivemind sharing the similar opinions, quite often. You can argue, well they share the same taste, but I think this consistent behaviour on certain releases is a bit more than just sharing taste. I don't think Bas or Clovis are blatantly part of hiveminds. Which is why he might go at it with a few of the characters you mentioned, but he does end up in them from time to time because of his relations with a few of those people, which is normal, and of course they do share the same taste on some music from what i've seen, which is normal. Hiveminds are a bit blantant though, to an observer. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
everyone who does not share the same opinion of me is part of a hive mind set. |
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| Jasperovitsj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
This one deserves a second reply.
Seriously...why you mad that I don't follow any TA hiveminds? O noezzz he is questioning our hiveminded opinion and wants to discuss and analyze music, why is he actually using the site for what it was for? He is ruining teh forumzzz for us. Unlike you, obviously I actually study the music...because I still enjoy it and I produce/engineer/mix it. You should be happy someone is questioning the ganging up lord of the flies mentality that has actually done more to kill TA than anything I can think of. |
Why is he 'mad' (I'd say he's just annoyed)?
Probably because:
A. You overly generalize the TA crowd into a single, hiveminded bunch of musical nitwits that plots against certain producers/dj's/musical styles, something you obviously are way above.
B. Every single discussion with you follows the same pattern, which is mainly about 'You are wrong and I am right', 'Your arguments and definitions are weak and flawed, mine are not, never ever', 'You cannot listen to music properly and analyze it, only I can', and so on, ultimately resulting in a semantic quote-requote-struggle in which your self-declared superiority is never really a question - at least not to yourself.
C. You always have to casually mention on the side that you are a producer yourself, an artist even, as if that somehow makes you more credible or your opinions more valued than the ones of those you are discussing with. Not that anyone around here has ever heard anything you produced, but still. You must be the right person in the right place to teach everyone around here a musical lesson.
Really, nobody would be mad if you just offered an alternate view, why would they? It's pushing that view upon everyone and insisting it is the only right one that is a step (or two) too far. Sure, debating and discussing music is fun, and TA isn't shy of that. But with you there's never really a discussion going on, now is there? You might disguise it as one, but in the end it's just you trying to convince others why your vision is the only right and superior one, and why everyone else is so damn stupid. And the irony is that you actually make some valid points once in a while, they just get overshadowed by your massive ego.
Oh, and I bet the response to this post will be exactly like what it is all about. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Well, it was as useful as burning a track twice on a CD.
And you're ing killing this forum with your overanalysis of every single release. |
I'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong. I dont always agree with him but we are here to discuss music not form little online music ninja gangs and try to snipe people with quippy little one-liners when they make a valid argument |
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