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Goa & Psytrance (pg. 5)
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| evo8 |
| I think that John 00 Fleming Coloursfest set in Ireland a few years ago was psytrance....that was some good stuff! |
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| ziptnf |
| I know I play some cheesy stuff sometimes, but through the billions of psytrance tracks there are in existence, it's hard to find ones that aren't cheesy. Most of them get a quick run through listen from me, and discarded. These days it's sometimes hard to find stuff that people won't criticize and say it totally sucks. I respect a lot of psytrance producers, because let's be honest, it's certainly not very easy to make. I'll check out some of the stuff in this thread, I haven't heard some of these artists! |
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| freakster |
| quote: | Originally posted by IndustryInsider
John 00 Fleming & Christopher Lawrence play some good progressive psy trance if that's what you are after. They did a mix comp together a while back, think it was called Global Trance Grooves, which is also John's radio show if I'm not wrong. Worth checking out anyway, good stuff. |
i love that global trance grooves cd, its killer. |
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| dancemaniac |
| is Goa trance and psy trance the same? Sorry to sound ignorant I just wasnt sure - I have been to several psytrance events and really enjoyed the scene and from what I know psytrance originates from Goa - so is Goa trance something different or just another name for what I know as psytrance? |
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| Darkarbiter |
The psy and full on mixes are pretty similar.
I mean, the difference between newschool goa and oldschool is a lot larger then the differences between the artists in kr00tons mix and yours.
I would highly recomend cybernetika's mix for darkpsy, although it's a pretty wide style :P
http://www.cybernetika.de/mixed_by_cybernetika_-_warpcore_III.mp3
Lets not forget the psy tekk sound either:
http://www.ektoplazm.com/files/DJ%20Basilisk%20-%20Replicant%20Redux.mp3
Here's a decent oldschool goa mix
http://www.ektoplazm.com/files/DJ%20Nivoc%20-%20Infinity%20-%201996%20-%20MP3.zip
Well anyway, there's most of the styles covered.
| quote: | Originally posted by dancemaniac
is Goa trance and psy trance the same? Sorry to sound ignorant I just wasnt sure - I have been to several psytrance events and really enjoyed the scene and from what I know psytrance originates from Goa - so is Goa trance something different or just another name for what I know as psytrance? |
Psy trance is more more thin artificial sounding generally. Although, there are things like forest psy that sound very natural but are definitely psy. Although they tend to be oldschool influenced
Typical differences:
Psy
-Heavy focus on a repetitive 16/32 note bass
-Lead's generally high cut. With phatness by detune or phasers rather then from things being analog reverb
-More focus on fx
Both use delay a lot, it just depends on the style.
Goa
-Use of melody to create trippeyness. While goa generally is more melodic, when psy is melodic, the melodies generally aren't too dark, a dark mood is generally done more in psy with fx
-Far more use of modulation (although darkpsy for instance uses a lot as well)
-Analog, much warmer leads and bass.
-Much more use of rythmnic melodies, i.e. where the gaps in two (or more) diffent melodies create an interesting rythmn. See for instance in marmion-schoneberg (mwnn remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqaUFdvvXUc. While a fair bit of goa doesn't have this, you hardly ever see this in psy.
-Lots of reverb on the leads
-OH and resonance! Psy hardly ever uses resonance, even the Goa influenced stuff.
And basically a whole lot of stuff that you'd know when you hear it, flow is a bit different and moods, but basically it's fairly easy to tell them apart after a while (apart from crossover stuff). Interestingly also a fair bit of darkpsy/forest psy seems to be carrying that goa spirit these days, in stark contrast to its comeplete absense in full on/prog and similar.
but yeh, basically, when you think about this stuff for too long, you start thinking... hmm techno and trance are the same thing anyway too aren't they? Which I'm sure many people will say they aren't. Basically there's differences in mood, and differences in flow in structure that aren't immediete at first will make a difference to when you want to listen to them and who is able to get into them and such. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
The psy and full on mixes are pretty similar.
I mean, the difference between newschool goa and oldschool is a lot larger then the differences between the artists in kr00tons mix and yours.
I would highly recomend cybernetika's mix for darkpsy, although it's a pretty wide style :P
http://www.cybernetika.de/mixed_by_...arpcore_III.mp3
Lets not forget the psy tekk sound either:
http://www.ektoplazm.com/files/DJ%2...ant%20Redux.mp3
Here's a decent oldschool goa mix
http://www.ektoplazm.com/files/DJ%2...6%20-%20MP3.zip
Well anyway, there's most of the styles covered.
Psy trance is more more thin artificial sounding generally. Although, there are things like forest psy that sound very natural but are definitely psy. Although they tend to be oldschool influenced
Typical differences:
Psy
-Heavy focus on a repetitive 16/32 note bass
-Lead's generally high cut. With phatness by detune or phasers rather then from things being analog reverb
-More focus on fx
Both use delay a lot, it just depends on the style.
Goa
-Use of melody to create trippeyness. While goa generally is more melodic, when psy is melodic, the melodies generally aren't too dark, a dark mood is generally done more in psy with fx
-Far more use of modulation (although darkpsy for instance uses a lot as well)
-Analog, much warmer leads and bass.
-Much more use of rythmnic melodies, i.e. where the gaps in two (or more) diffent melodies create an interesting rythmn. See for instance in marmion-schoneberg (mwnn remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqaUFdvvXUc. While a fair bit of goa doesn't have this, you hardly ever see this in psy.
-Lots of reverb on the leads
-OH and resonance! Psy hardly ever uses resonance, even the Goa influenced stuff.
And basically a whole lot of stuff that you'd know when you hear it, flow is a bit different and moods, but basically it's fairly easy to tell them apart after a while (apart from crossover stuff). Interestingly also a fair bit of darkpsy/forest psy seems to be carrying that goa spirit these days, in stark contrast to its comeplete absense in full on/prog and similar.
but yeh, basically, when you think about this stuff for too long, you start thinking... hmm techno and trance are the same thing anyway too aren't they? Which I'm sure many people will say they aren't. Basically there's differences in mood, and differences in flow in structure that aren't immediete at first will make a difference to when you want to listen to them and who is able to get into them and such. |
You're making it worse, not better. Those explanations are too technical and overly narrow, i.e 'leads generally high cut'. You'd be better off just posting some youtube examples of full-on psy-trance, progressive psy-trance and then goa trance. I'd do it but it's 11pm and I'm ing tired.
Your ideas of genres are pretty much retarded anyway. You're always like: 'that's not psy-trance, it's dark-forest-modulated-ethereal-armpit-trance, duh!' |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
The psy and full on mixes are pretty similar.
I mean, the difference between newschool goa and oldschool is a lot larger then the differences between the artists in kr00tons mix and yours. |
Uh, no. Kr00t0n - Noir is absolutely nothing like Color Flux. Basically you just said that a completely different style's oldschool and newschool stuff are nothing alike, which I agree with, but you think that kr00t0n's mix and mine are similar? :haha:
Noir is a pure definition of straight-up psytrance, with dark, blasting melodies, warped synths, and incredibly active moods. Color Flux has unique, minimalistic melodies in almost every track, with a progression change throughout the set: banging, groovy, banging, groovy, banging. How can you say that two totally different styles are the same??
| quote: | | but yeh, basically, when you think about this stuff for too long, you start thinking... hmm techno and trance are the same thing anyway too aren't they? |
WHAT??? :stongue: |
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| Philby |
can we make this a sticky or something? it seems like once a month someone asks what is psy, what is goa, what's the difference, what are good tunes etc etc
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| DJSoulstone |
| I just recently began buying second hand Goa vinyls, if I get the chance. :) And in my newest mix I tried to combine Goa from around 1999 with some Uplifting stuff from around 2003. Have a look in my sig... :D People liked it so far, but noone gave me critics in detail. I guess I just did a good job. :stongue: |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
You're making it worse, not better. Those explanations are too technical and overly narrow, i.e 'leads generally high cut'. You'd be better off just posting some youtube examples of full-on psy-trance, progressive psy-trance and then goa trance. |
People have allready posted sets, so I was attempting to give a more technical definition since you can find lists/tracks elsewhere easily as allready done in this thread. Rather then just being like, you'll know when you hear it, which I agree with anyway.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
WHAT??? :stongue: |
Look at the thread that was saying something along the lines of edm invents so many new genres but they aren't really that new. Several people said trance was basically the same thing as techno, anywayyy I'm not saying that. Just that you know, there has to be a balance.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
but you think that kr00t0n's mix and mine are similar? :haha:
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Haven't as such heard kr00ton's mix, just judging off artists, so probably wrong.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Your ideas of genres are pretty much retarded anyway. You're always like: 'that's not psy-trance, it's dark-forest-modulated-ethereal-armpit-trance, duh!' |
I'm not the first person to use the forest psy label. |
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