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Danny Howells - Laid Out / Brakes OUT NOW.... (pg. 5)
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| DuBam |
| Well, he does point out his superiority in every post he makes, all I want is proof. Proof, not words. |
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| Paradox Lost |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
If someone says Danny Howells - On The Moon is boring, they obviously are lacking fundamental reasoning and vision. |
Is this assessment really something you can frame in terms of fundamental reasoning and vision?
In terms of evaluating the aesthetic qualities of a piece of music, I'm inclined to believe that there exists a leap from fundamental reasoning capabilities (and perhaps vision, depending upon how you're defining it) to deriving a sense of personal resonance.
To regulate this capacity to the domain of fundamental reasoning, I think, draws lines that far more rigid than ought to be drawn.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
In the 'On the Moon' argument case, the dancefloor reaction video directly contradicted Mrjive's assessment of the track, which is what I used it for. |
Not necessarily.
Consider the alternative to what we are discussing; a dancefloor responding wildly to music you find essentially boring (and I'm sure there are videos of such that don't exist in short supply). Surely, this would be insufficient to convince you that the music is exciting.
So, if poor reasoning capabilities and a lack of vision result in a misaligned perception of music, could this not express itself in finding boring music exciting?
The people in the video you posted may very well be operating under these problematic premises (and really, in principle, it isn't all that far fetched a concept when taking into account the idea of some indoctrinated mentality).
I think the most significant difficulty with your methodology (and I will fully concede that I may not be understanding it right, so correct me if I'm wrong) lies in the fact that it requires you to go about substantiating your perception of music (and disagreements with other people's perceptions of music) in a very matter of fact, objective way; which is a problem when, as you say, this is subjective.
In fact, this bears a close relation to my above remarks regarding the transition from fundamental reasoning to aesthetic resonance. You could go about and produce a laundry list of this track's various features, the one's which are most salient to you in terms of quality, and why you like them. However, to an observant listener who is very much aware of these aforementioned qualities, it may still not necessarily translate into something that functions effectively enough for them such that it will resonate with them in the same way. This is what I'm talking about when I refer to a 'leap' from mere reasoning to developing a sense of appreciation in something.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
There is quite a difference between the music and how crowds are formed between the two. The genre Soulja Boy belongs to is kinda shoved down peoples throats through about 1,000 outlets and mechanisms, while Danny Howells crowd is pulled it mostly on the shoulders of the music, which again makes your reasoning and argument, poor as usual. |
Well, in fairness, your earlier post in this regard spelled out the idea of crowd responsiveness as a gauge of quality (at least dancefloor quality, if we are to make these divisions) in a very broad, general way. Not to imply that this was your intent, but this remark:
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
...you have the woscar's and the wotyzoids of the world agreeing with you, while the music itself, crowds by the hundreds of thousands disagree with you. |
...makes the comparison with today's popular music a very legitimate one indeed (though you did supplement it later with your clarification). |
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| notelfreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by DuBam
Well, he does point out his superiority in every post he makes, all I want is proof. Proof, not words. |
the proof of his lack of superiority (or anyone else's for that matter) in clearly indicated in his posts. No one is better on the internet except if it is me:p |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
Yes please. It's the least you could do if it's hardly any effort, and if anything, it could finally shut up all the hiveminded pricks and henchmen here you are so vicariously debating with. A win-win situation, no? |
hmmm How would my ability to make a great mix prove anything in regards to this thread? Why not challenge me to something a bit harder and more relative towards the music discussions here, like producing a decent track of my own?
Since we are in the challenge mood in this thread, how about we have a music knowledge challenege through actual music production, since people here know so much about music because they threw a few tracks they got off beatport together in a mix. Everyone in this thread, go ahead produce a piece of dancefloor lovin. ;) |
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| notelfreak |
| if you are the same kismet that i have seen on beatport producing a great track might be beyond your abilities:p |
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| Jasperovitsj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Since we are in the challenge mood in this thread, how about we have a music knowledge challenege through actual music production, since people here know so much about music because they threw a few tracks they got off beatport together in a mix. Everyone in this thread, go ahead produce a piece of dancefloor lovin. ;) |
Oh no, you did not just go there? :eek: :haha:
Make a mix first, then turn around the tables. |
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| DuBam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
Make a mix first, then turn around the tables. |
..Or have grandma do it, you know, to prove your point. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DuBam
Well, he does point out his superiority in every post he makes, all I want is proof. Proof, not words. |
Superiority? I think its more like...What i'm doing is, the inverse of the hiveminds here and at MD do. The hiveminds, bash people for enjoying music that they enjoy. Inversely i'm here asking for reasoning behind their bashing of music by pointing out how out of touch they are, just like how they make others feel like they are crazy for enjoying what they enjoy. So I guess the script is flipping a bit, jaws are dropped and mothers are appalled. Buh buh you are breaking our internets and teh rules we created, one cries. Buh we reserve the right to bash people for enjoying music, yet when you ask us for reasoning for our bashing of music you enjoy, we getzzz mad and call upon our friends to support us. See how wrong you guys are doing this music thing? :rolleyes: |
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| notelfreak |
| hivemind is not a word. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
hivemind is not a word. |
notelfreak is not a word. |
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