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The Curious Case of Angelina Jolie's Father (pg. 4)
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| Lebezniatnikov |
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Right on cue!
Of course you go to Rush and not the actual op-ed that ran, in which it's clear the connotation of the phrase was not racist. The word "cracker" isn't racist in all its contexts either. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Ermmm... you specifically said "at the same time in Bush's presidency. Why do you keep moving the goalposts? |
I'm not moving the goalposts... the majority of his presidency he was treated like by the media and the left. There just happened to be a brief period in between after 9/11 when the country came together and forgot about all the silly .
| quote: | | If you say so. I'm sure Andrew Johnson or Herbert Hoover or Jimmy Carter would would disagree with you. |
What are you a historian now? lol... I can't say much about Andrew Johnson or Herbert Hoover, but Jimmy Carter, if you think he got harsh media coverage, maybe it's because unter his tutelige we had 12% unemployment, a 70% tax rate, and gas lines that lasted for hours... to name a few.
I'm talking about how you phrased it that while Bush was president, his leadership was called into question... which is a very generous way of sugarcoating the nasty, non stop hate that was spewed at him (and still is). I was saying that while he was president, there were books written about assassinating him, as well as a movie with the same kind of theme. My point being, that is a little more substantial than "calling leadership into question".
| quote: | | From the Pew reporting data: |
I guess you didn't read this: "As he marks his 100th day in office, President Barack Obama has enjoyed substantially more positive media coverage than either Bill Clinton or George Bush during their first months in the White House, according to a new study of press coverage. Overall, roughly four out of ten stories, editorials and op ed columns about Obama have been clearly positive in tone, compared with 22% for Bush and 27% for Clinton in the same mix of seven national media outlets during the same first two months in office, according to a study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism."
| quote: | | So you ARE in favor of the Fairness Doctrine! |
ARRRGHH!!! No! I'm in favor of a news network stopping to pretend that they are not bias and working to aid in the president accomplishing his goals.
| quote: | | Um, that actually happens, and not just on Fox. Usually not from the RNC though - usually from the Republican anteroom in the Capitol. |
really? and they come out and say they reject the idea of alternative arguments and viewpoints like ABC did? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
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Right on cue!
Of course you go to Rush and not the actual op-ed that ran, in which it's clear the connotation of the phrase was not racist. The word "cracker" isn't racist in all its contexts either. |
Right on cue..... what? I provided the source of the parody, explaining the full context? If you choose NOT to read the actual words and context from the person being accused of something, I guess that makes you.... unbiased? :haha:
Edit: What are you missing? The op-ed was written by a black guy. Rush turned it's absurdity into a parody, and explains it... if you actually read it, you'll understand it's not racist. God what's with you? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
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all this says to me is that before 911 everyone thought george was doing a ty job. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I can't say much about Andrew Johnson or Herbert Hoover, but Jimmy Carter, if you think he got harsh media coverage, maybe it's because unter his tutelige we had 12% unemployment, a 70% tax rate, and gas lines that lasted for hours... to name a few. |
And under Bush we had No Child Left Behind, torture, a corrupt Justice Department, and an unjustified war. This all leads back to my earlier statement that unpopular presidents beget unfavorable coverage.
| quote: | | I'm talking about how you phrased it that while Bush was president, his leadership was called into question... which is a very generous way of sugarcoating the nasty, non stop hate that was spewed at him (and still is). |
I'm sorry, are we still talking about media bias? You wanted to limit the discussion to network news stations, and now all of a sudden it seems you're wanting to group in people like Bill Maher and random comments from DailyKos readers.
| quote: | | I was saying that while he was president, there were books written about assassinating him, as well as a movie with the same kind of theme. |
Link?
| quote: | | I guess you didn't read this: "As he marks his 100th day in office, President Barack Obama has enjoyed substantially more positive media coverage than either Bill Clinton or George Bush during their first months in the White House, according to a new study of press coverage. Overall, roughly four out of ten stories, editorials and op ed columns about Obama have been clearly positive in tone, compared with 22% for Bush and 27% for Clinton in the same mix of seven national media outlets during the same first two months in office, according to a study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism." |
No, I read that. It clearly states that Obama is receiving more coverage and more positive coverage than Bill Clinton. Pardon me if I don't find that to be convincing evidence of a widespread liberal media bias.
| quote: | | ARRRGHH!!! No! I'm in favor of a news network stopping to pretend that they are not bias and working to aid in the president accomplishing his goals. |
You're arguing that a major media network shouldn't provide a direct feed to a Presidential address inside the White House without establishing a fair and equal time for Bobby Jindal to respond? How is that not the Fairness Doctrine?
| quote: | | Really? and they come out and say they reject the idea of alternative arguments and viewpoints like ABC did? |
Um, yeah, because nobody really cares what Sen. Reid has to say about the Republicans announcing a major piece of legislation. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Right on cue..... what? I provided the source of the parody, explaining the full context? If you choose NOT to read the actual words and context from the person being accused of something, I guess that makes you.... unbiased? :haha:
Edit: What are you missing? The op-ed was written by a black guy. Rush turned it's absurdity into a parody, and explains it... if you actually read it, you'll understand it's not racist. God what's with you? |
Right on cue that when you start harping about biases in the media, you turn to quotes from Rush Limbaugh.
I've read the op-ed. I don't need Rush to explain it to me (though I read that inanity anyway). |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Right on cue that when you start harping about biases in the media, you turn to quotes from Rush Limbaugh.
I've read the op-ed. I don't need Rush to explain it to me (though I read that inanity anyway). |
I responded to a quote from inside the article you posted, guy. Proof read your own work. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Link? |
http://www.amazon.com/Checkpoint-No...r/dp/1400044006
| quote: | | You're arguing that a major media network shouldn't provide a direct feed to a Presidential address inside the White House without establishing a fair and equal time for Bobby Jindal to respond? How is that not the Fairness Doctrine? |
Missing the point yet again. Obama first stated directly that he wanted a bipartisan debate on healthcare. Next, we have ABC reporting from inside the white house in an informercial-type manner on a program called "Prescription For America," completely dedicated to promoting ONLY the Obama administration's plan. Finally, we have RNC Chief of Staff saying this:
| quote: | Today, the Republican National Committee requested an opportunity to add our Party's views to those of the President's to ensure that all sides of the health care reform debate are presented. Our request was rejected. I believe that the President should have the ability to speak directly to the America people. However, I find it outrageous that ABC would prohibit our Party's opposing thoughts and ideas from this national debate, which affects millions of ABC viewers.
In the absence of opposition, I am concerned this event will become a glorified infomercial to promote the Democrat agenda. If that is the case, this primetime infomercial should be paid for out of the DNC coffers. President Obama does not hold a monopoly on health care reform ideas or on free airtime. The President has stated time and time again that he wants a bipartisan debate. Therefore, the Republican Party should be included in this primetime event, or the DNC should pay for your airtime. |
Get it? Dissenting opinion or even healthy debate on the issue rejected by a "journalist" outlet such as ABC.
If you honestly believe the media in this country doesn't lean left, then there's no point in even debating this with you anymore... I'm astounded. Did you see the difference in interviews between what Palin got vs. Obama and Biden during the runup to the election by the way? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
That's not the media either. That's some dude who wrote a novel.
| quote: | | Did you see the difference in interviews between what Palin got vs. Obama and Biden during the runup to the election by the way? |
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Couric: If this doesn't pass, do you think there's a risk of another Great Depression?
Palin: Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on. Not necessarily this, as it's been proposed, has to pass or we're going to find ourselves in another Great Depression. But, there has got to be action - bipartisan effort - Congress not pointing fingers at one another but finding the solution to this, taking action, and being serious about the reforms on Wall Street that are needed.
Couric: Would you support a moratorium on foreclosures to help average Americans keep their homes?
Palin: That's something that John McCain and I have both been discussing - whether that ... is part of the solution or not. You know, it's going to be a multi-faceted solution that has to be found here.
Couric: So you haven't decided whether you'll support it or not?
Palin: I have not.
Couric: What are the pros and cons of it do you think?
Palin: Oh, well, some decisions that have been made poorly should not be rewarded, of course.
Couric: By consumers, you're saying?
Palin: Consumers - and those who were predator lenders also. That's, you know, that has to be considered also. But again, it's got to be a comprehensive, long-term solution found ... for this problem that America is facing today. As I say, we are getting into crisis mode here.
Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?
Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.
Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government.
Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?
Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.
Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.
Palin: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you. |
Yeah, ole Katie Couric and her tough-hitting questions! You've sure got a point here! Poor Sarah Palin! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| jesus. id almost forgotten about her. almost. and i still can't get over the fact that our good friend Q5 voted for a ticket with her on it. |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
jesus. id almost forgotten about her. almost. and i still can't get over the fact that our good friend Q5 voted for a ticket with her on it. |
She's still alive and kickin in the USA. She formed a PAC to raise money for her 2012 run almost the minute Mccain conceded.. As pathetic as it is, she really is the best hope of the republican base now. They frakkin love her..
http://www.sarahpac.com/
http://www.palinpac.org/ |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I think the self reliance of conservatism is rooted in the idea of individual liberty... and the belief that freedom includes a person's freedom to make good and bad choices for themselves, not have Big Brother holding their hand and deciding what's best for them. I have plenty of faith in people- when they are left alone by government and allowed to succeed or fail on their own merit. You gotta agree that a growing population of this country are not properly educated and informed (look at the return on our public school investment)... and when people are not adequately informed/educated then yes, it constrains the mind from understanding that they are the masters of their own destiny, not the State. It gets easier and easier to take entitlements and government handouts than work hard for success. And with the ever expanding nanny state perpetuated by liberal policies and a supportive agenda driven media, the American entrepreneurial spirit is diminshed little by little each day. |
I think that you are in fact a Liberal Republican. Which is sort of interesting. |
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