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Electronica Music and real music? (pg. 3)
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's a very good tune but it is not breaks. It's somewhere between ambient and IDM. . |
Unnecessary correction imo. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Unnecessary correction imo. |
You wouldn't have called it unnecessary if he had referred to it as house music.
It's fine if you don't really understand breaks, but you shouldn't then go around saying that you're producing it. Breakbeats are dance music; that track was chillout music. |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You wouldn't have called it unnecessary if he had referred to it as house music.
It's fine if you don't really understand breaks, but you shouldn't then go around saying that you're producing it. Breakbeats are dance music; that track was chillout music. |
well no,if you read my post correctly i stated,"i'm leaning towards breaks".Because it seems to complement my stile. Then gave a example of the kinda track i believed was relative to the topic.
as my reasoning for my post was the standerd dance format seemed to conventional. And didn't give the freedom as dare i say breaks. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You wouldn't have called it unnecessary if he had referred to it as house music.
It's fine if you don't really understand breaks, but you shouldn't then go around saying that you're producing it. Breakbeats are dance music; that track was chillout music. |
Breaks, Progressive Breaks, Drum and Bass, IDM, Chillout, Progressive House.. all of those are or can sound like what we usually call breaks. (and pop, rock too if you wanna get difficult)
Lets say id like to make something similar to the track in the video only with a stronger beat it could easily be called breaks.
With that said, im a however a member of the "anti subgenre association" and prefer music to be divided into a least amount of subgenres.
So imo you are just genre nitpicking, but then again you are probably a member of the "we must divide every sub-genre corporation" alà Ishkurs Guide, but when genres mixes up it gets messy and undefinable and then its nice to narrow the categories as much as possible. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Breaks, Progressive Breaks, Drum and Bass, IDM, Chillout, Progressive House.. all of those are or can sound like what we usually call breaks. (and pop, rock too if you wanna get difficult) |
On what planet?
| quote: | | So imo you are just genre nitpicking, but then again you are probably a member of the "we must divide every sub-genre corporation" alà Ishkurs Guide, but when genres mixes up it gets messy and undefinable and then its nice to narrow the categories as much as possible. |
Yeah ok buddy... there are tracks that cross boundaries, I know that, I've made them, but this has NOTHING to do with that. Breaks isn't a "sub-genre", it's a primary genre, and it's not the same as comparing say "progressive house" to "electro house".
It's no different from trance and house. Some tracks out there, like a lot of what deadmau5 produces, are in a gray area, but As The Rush Comes is clearly trance and One More Time is clearly house. The track he posted was clearly downtempo and not breaks.
Either you have no idea what a breakbeat is yourself or you're just being a contrarian . This discussion wasn't about narrow categories of genres that are hard to define, it was about basic fundamental differences between music styles. |
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| owien |
| lol'well this to me is what is ment by breaks......Breakbeat (sometimes breakbeats or breaks) is a term used to describe a collection of sub-genres of electronic music, usually characterized by the use of a non-straightened 4/4 drum pattern (as opposed to the steady beat of house or trance). These rhythms may be characterised by their intensive use of syncopation and polyrhythms.;) |
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| djbruuen |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
so basically my issue is that i seem to have a talent for making real music,witch is a real benefit for Electronica.
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Just for future reference, use the terminology "music created with acoustic instruments" in place of "real" music, since that is infact what you're refering too. That way you don't come across as either: ignorant, uneducated or offensive. As a previous post mentioned, anything can be 'real' - you hear it, explain how thats not real?
Also, classical and jazz are the most complicated forms of music, pretty much everything else: ie. rock, pop, EDM, country etc. are all on an equal playing field in terms of difficulty, since they're all typcially 4/4 time and are usually the same format wise. I'd actually stretch to say EDM is a bit more difficult becuase of the 'exploring the unknown factor,' where the other genres are all straight forward instrument wise (with the exception of what effect the guitar player chooses to use) anyways thats a long tangent, but just don't throw that term around. |
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| sixofour.604 |
You are all wrong.
Real Breaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixL_jmGRDXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CchTEMLhJuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4iAXofyAjw
Please, don't pander lame stuff to the guys that don't know. :P
Also, saying jazz and classical are complicated is a ing joke..go back to music 101 and learn how to play music. [interestingly enough, these two, save for a few songs, tend to be the most annoying genras of music. Jazz is ing aweful. Jazz took what the rest of non-western civilization was doing, and tried to add their own twist, and failed. And no, don't you start that "jazz invented or pioneered new "...jazz didn't do a ing thing that wasn't already done en masse by the rest of the world. /rant ] |
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| PutBoy |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
jazz didn't do a ing thing that wasn't already done en masse by the rest of the world. /rant ] |
lol |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Also, saying jazz and classical are complicated is a ing joke..go back to music 101 and learn how to play music. [interestingly enough, these two, save for a few songs, tend to be the most annoying genras of music. Jazz is ing aweful. Jazz took what the rest of non-western civilization was doing, and tried to add their own twist, and failed. And no, don't you start that "jazz invented or pioneered new "...jazz didn't do a ing thing that wasn't already done en masse by the rest of the world. /rant ] |
...really? |
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| djbruuen |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Also, saying jazz and classical are complicated is a ing joke..go back to music 101 and learn how to play music. [interestingly enough, these two, save for a few songs, tend to be the most annoying genras of music. Jazz is ing aweful. Jazz took what the rest of non-western civilization was doing, and tried to add their own twist, and failed. And no, don't you start that "jazz invented or pioneered new "...jazz didn't do a ing thing that wasn't already done en masse by the rest of the world. /rant ] |
I'll just say it point blank - you're an idiot!
Firstly, to say jazz is awful is a personal opinion and shouldn't be a generalization. No one gives a what you like, thats beside the point. FYI - I never even indicated either genre to be anything other than complicated in respect to other music forms. Secondly your comments indicate that you're obviously not a musician, I've personally specialized in Jazz and Classical piano. The difference between the two vs. any commercial music - Jazz and classical (depending on either the era or sub-genre) can have complicated time signatures and chord structures that are usually never used in pop music, thus their foreign appearence can take more time for the brain to grasp if the musician is unfamiliar with the genre, where commercial music is very straight forward chords for the most part and most musicians can easily sight read it or play by ear. Your comments are even more ignorant than the term 'real' music, and I thought that would take the cake in this thread. Take a second next time you decide to spread your verbal diarrhea |
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