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Electronica Music and real music? (pg. 4)
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
You are all wrong. |
But you're right are you? |
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| hasbone |
actually that's drum and bass.
there's a misunderstanding going on here between people referring to breaks the music genre and breaks as in music with a broken beat |
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| sixofour.604 |
Breaks is any beat that pretty much isn't Kick Snare Kick Hat.
People add breaks to stuff that sounded like trance or what ever and called it "breaks", for pretty much no reason. |
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| sixofour.604 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
I'll just say it point blank - you're an idiot!
Firstly, to say jazz is awful is a personal opinion and shouldn't be a generalization. No one gives a what you like, thats beside the point. FYI - I never even indicated either genre to be anything other than complicated in respect to other music forms. Secondly your comments indicate that you're obviously not a musician, I've personally specialized in Jazz and Classical piano. The difference between the two vs. any commercial music - Jazz and classical (depending on either the era or sub-genre) can have complicated time signatures and chord structures that are usually never used in pop music, thus their foreign appearence can take more time for the brain to grasp if the musician is unfamiliar with the genre, where commercial music is very straight forward chords for the most part and most musicians can easily sight read it or play by ear. Your comments are even more ignorant than the term 'real' music, and I thought that would take the cake in this thread. Take a second next time you decide to spread your verbal diarrhea |
'Forgeign' appearance? I look at jazz and classical and go "thats pretty ing simple" It might aswell be pop.
Jazz, as a collection of music over the years is horrible. The idea of mixing elements and using different techniques from around the world, sounds nice, but in reality, it has never produces anything good. Every classical jazz album there is, is complete and utter garbage, a total mockery of music everywhere. These albums bring shame to the industry. No one enjoys a bunch of morons purposly trying to clash with eachother. And that is the purpose of jazz, grouping elements of music together that don't belong together and cause a ty cluster of noise.
So sure, the idea of jazz is spiffy, but untill you find a classical jazz band that has done it decently, your genra of music will always suck.
Oh, and don't start that same bullic [yeah] rant like those fags in the IDM [intelligent-psy-house-trance-whatever] crowd always start, abouyt how I don't "understand" the compliexities of jazz or some other bull, I understand it well, it sucks, you failed. Go back to the 1920's.... |
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| Peter Campbell |
@ sixofour.604
not to pick but could u post some jazz and classical tracks that you've made since its so simple? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I think the main difference between jazz + classical and more popular forms of music is the amount of variation in terms of dynamics, tempo, and harmonic structure. Most popular music uses a single tempo and key throughout, and has a very consistent volume level, while jazz and classical often don't. On the other hand, popular music is often more varied in terms of instrumental timbre, while classical and jazz tend to use the same "sounds" nearly all the time. Although a few classical composers did experiment with electronics to get more timbres. |
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| sixofour.604 |
Why would I make a track for a genra I don't enjoy? Just to prove a point? Ive made orchestral peices, but I wouldn't call them classical, they don't have the habit of changing abruptly and ruining the phrase, like much classical does.
For instance, Beethoven Symphony 5, has a good part..but the rest...? From 0:33 to about 1:10 is awesome. Then it just turns into this happy stuff... :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4x0yuKpeY
Where as moonlight sonata has pretty much nothing messed up. No dramatic changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cFEHM9yMw
Then again, I can listen to a 10 second loop for 10 hours and enjoy it. So it shows you how much I enjoy drastic change during a song :P
BoJingles +1 |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Well yeah, jazz and classical are usually way less repetitive in terms of melody. If you're the sort of person who enjoys listening to one loop for ten hours, you won't like that.
:p |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
You are right of course, but it isnt really as obvious as distinguishing more prominent genres as Trance. |
That is very likely because you don't listen to it nearly as much. It's very obvious to me and to a lot of people I know.
Jason Nevins was a frickin' genius. It's like that is sort of a cross between house and old-school hip hop.
That's Drum and Bass, dip. It's even labeled as DnB in the genre tags!
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think the main difference between jazz + classical and more popular forms of music is the amount of variation in terms of dynamics, tempo, and harmonic structure. |
Also rhythm. Much of the more modern classical music is full of half-measures, time signature changes, and so on. Very hard to make sense of if you're not used to it (and even harder to play, back in those days!). |
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| sixofour.604 |
| All "breaks" is refering to is breakbeats. That could be anything from Jungle To Dnb to Hiphop to Ambient Breaks..lol. Don't take it so seriously, i'm generalizing the genera. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That is very likely because you don't listen to it nearly as much. It's very obvious to me and to a lot of people I know.
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I can agree with that, i reckon there is some confusion about the genre Breaks, and music that has a breakbeat.
Im mostly familiar with the most popular breaks producers (at least which i know of) such as Hybrid, Adam Freeland, Rennie Pilgrem.
And then there is of course the whole bunch of producers who makes the occational breaks track now and then.
I have actually made two Breaks tracks myself.. or at least i think so, they do have a breakbeat. :p |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
All "breaks" is refering to is breakbeats. That could be anything from Jungle To Dnb to Hiphop to Ambient Breaks..lol. Don't take it so seriously, i'm generalizing the genera. |
That's about as effective as claiming that house music is anything played at a warehouse party, and would therefore also include jazz-funk, disco, and happy hardcore.
There's a difference between the etymology of a genre and the genre itself. |
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