Originally posted by TotalDeathXZero
Aggrotech & Trance, without a freaking doubt in electronic music. Otherwise, heavy metal \m/
Heavy metal WAS very creative but it as well as it's subgenres have ceased to put out much fresh-sounding, original material years ago.
Since this thread is above creativity RIGHT NOW, heavy metal doesn't have much to offer to the topic. Which makes me sad, because I was a huge metal fan back in the day as well.
As for me, I'm liking tech-dance now. Maybe not the most creative, but there is still a lot of creative ground to be explored within this genre. There aren't as many tracks being produced in this genre as others, but the good thing is that the tracks are generally of good quality and very few generic/cookie-cutter sounding tunes. That, and it's edgier sound make it a relief after getting overly bombarded with commercial-sounding house and electro music lately. House and electro, as genres, are producing A LOT of music lately, but the ratio of good, original material compared to the sheer mass amount that's coming out isn't very good IMO.
stevësto
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Originally posted by inazuma
As for me, I'm liking tech-dance now. Maybe not the most creative, but there is still a lot of creative ground to be explored within this genre.
what is tech-dance? post some youtube samples
sljiva
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I'm often not sure what people mean when they talk about "neoclassical" music. Sometimes the term is used to talk about ambientish stuff with pianos and string instruments, other times it's used to talk about stuff that sounds like an orchestra playing generic videogame music, and other times it's used to talk about a genre of metal or New Ageish music. I'm guessing TotalDeath was talking about "neoclassical" metal.
I'm confused about that too. I think we should have a separate term that describes electronic music that uses arranged classical instrumentation and is generally influenced by classical music, some kind of an equivalent to nu jazz. Albums like Save Your Light For Darker Days by Digitonal (which is a downtempo album with violins), Rossz Csillag Alatt Született by Venetian Snares (breakcore with violins), The Blurring Of Trees by Lexaunculpt (glitch+piano+strings), Martes by Murcof (experimental minimal electronica+samples of old classical works) should all go under it. I see that discogs uses "modern classical" tag, but I think that's awfully inappropriate, for example if you say in a conversation that you like modern classical stuff, "stuff like Venetian Snares", people would look at you like you're some kind of idiot.
BTW Max Richter is awesome. He is primarily classical composer but uses synths in some of his tracks for a greater effect (so he's kinda different than artists mentioned above). What would you say, how is that style called and is it different than ambient that uses classical instrumentation for a support?
sljiva
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Originally posted by alexf
- current trends in dub techno and "club" techno
Don't know about club techno (but I highly doubt it), but dub techno might be in the most stagnant state at the moment. It's all about rehashing the old ideas (from mid 90's) these days, and the only people who are doing something interesting are Echospace guys (especially Hitchell - awesome remix album of Bvdub's White Clouds Drift On And On).
alexf
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Originally posted by sljiva
Don't know about club techno (but I highly doubt it), but dub techno might be in the most stagnant state at the moment. It's all about rehashing the old ideas (from mid 90's) these days, and the only people who are doing something interesting are Echospace guys (especially Hitchell - awesome remix album of Bvdub's White Clouds Drift On And On).
not when it fuses with dubstep, thats what i meant
sljiva
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Originally posted by alexf
not when it fuses with dubstep, thats what i meant
Examples (besides Monolake)?
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by sljiva
I see that discogs uses "modern classical" tag, but I think that's awfully inappropriate, for example if you say in a conversation that you like modern classical stuff, "stuff like Venetian Snares", people would look at you like you're some kind of idiot.
Haha, yes. "Modern classical" is actually a very hard term to pin down these days, because lots of people use it casually to refer to stuff like orchestral film music. Even putting that aside it's difficult because you have to specify if you're referring to chronological "modern," i.e. very recent, or ideological "modern," i.e. stretching conventions of tonality and instrumentation in the vein of Schoenberg, Ligeti, Penderecki, Stockhausen, and company. Personally I try to stick to using it in the latter sense, and use "contemporary" when I just mean "recent." I don't know if there is a strong convention for this among critics, though.
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I think we should have a separate term that describes electronic music that uses arranged classical instrumentation and is generally influenced by classical music, some kind of an equivalent to nu jazz.
I can agree that the use of new instrumentation might merit a new name, but I have to admit I'm kind of a purist and have chided people before for, e.g., referring to film music or New Agey stuff that happens to include strings as "classical." To me orchestral music is "classical" only to the extent that it is an attempt to build on or respond in an informed way to the traditions of the "Bach to Berg" sequence, and I don't know to what extent the adoption of so-called "classical" instruments by primarily electronic musicians constitutes such a response. Am I being too snobbish about this?
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BTW Max Richter is awesome. He is primarily classical composer but uses synths in some of his tracks for a greater effect (so he's kinda different than artists mentioned above). What would you say, how is that style called and is it different than ambient that uses classical instrumentation for a support?
I like Richter's music as well. Did you have some specific tracks of his in mind? It's certainly not unheard of for classically trained composers to add synths to their tonal palette, so I don't know if it's useful to describe his stuff as anything other than "contemporary classical." Richter sometimes reminds me of Philip Glass, who has also used synths in some works.
SYSTEM-J
Richter "assisted" on The FSOL's last album, Environments 2, which is something of a return to form after years of wanky prog rock and archive material.
alexf
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Originally posted by sljiva
Examples (besides Monolake)?
sandwell district (function/regis), t++, marcel dettmann (a bit), claro intelecto, shed, andy stott...
winston
“The ability to perceive or think differently is more important than the knowledge gained.” David Bohm
sljiva
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Haha, yes. "Modern classical" is actually a very hard term to pin down these days, because lots of people use it casually to refer to stuff like orchestral film music. Even putting that aside it's difficult because you have to specify if you're referring to chronological "modern," i.e. very recent, or ideological "modern," i.e. stretching conventions of tonality and instrumentation in the vein of Schoenberg, Ligeti, Penderecki, Stockhausen, and company. Personally I try to stick to using it in the latter sense, and use "contemporary" when I just mean "recent." I don't know if there is a strong convention for this among critics, though.
Yeah, I like to use it as an umbrella term for classical music of the 20th century too. And sometimes it would be just misleading to use it for classical influenced electronic music, for example that VSnares' album uses baroque strings and to call it "modern classical" would imply to some that it uses modern strings.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I can agree that the use of new instrumentation might merit a new name, but I have to admit I'm kind of a purist and have chided people before for, e.g., referring to film music or New Agey stuff that happens to include strings as "classical." To me orchestral music is "classical" only to the extent that it is an attempt to build on or respond in an informed way to the traditions of the "Bach to Berg" sequence, and I don't know to what extent the adoption of so-called "classical" instruments by primarily electronic musicians constitutes such a response. Am I being too snobbish about this?
That's exactly how some jazz purists react to "nu jazz" term. You're right of course, neither some string or piano sequences playing alongside beats, percussion and synths warrant that composition a classical label, nor inclusion of saxophones or trumpets ensures that your composition will be labeled as jazz. But that's exactly why I said that we need a new term, something like "nu classical" or "e-classical" or "future classical", the term that will itself explain what kind of music you're talking about - not classical music, but music inspired or music that imitates classical music. I can't see any harm in that.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I like Richter's music as well. Did you have some specific tracks of his in mind? It's certainly not unheard of for classically trained composers to add synths to their tonal palette, so I don't know if it's useful to describe his stuff as anything other than "contemporary classical." Richter sometimes reminds me of Philip Glass, who has also used synths in some works.
Since The Blue Notebooks is my favourite album of his, I was mostly talking about tracks like Shadow Journal and Iconography that use synths and On The Nature Of Daylight and Written On The Sky that don't. I've heard only Koyaanisqatsi by Glass and if I remember correctly he does use some kind of moog on that, but I never really thought about it that way. So "contemporary classical" it is!
sljiva
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Originally posted by alexf
sandwell district (function/regis), t++, marcel dettmann (a bit), claro intelecto, shed, andy stott...
Thanks. I've actually explored quite a bit of Sandwell District catalogue plus both Shed's and Claro Intelecto's albums, but I haven't heard any dub influenced dubstep. Although the idea is great, I'd definitely be interested in hearing more of dirty, muddy and echoey dubstep. And jazzy dubstep, is anyone producing that sort of stuff?
