Originally posted by Alain
Who the are you to judge if a person doesn't care less, because they don't know who the DJ is?
- Maybe it's their first time listening to trance
- Maybe they work in the medical field and rarely get time off and decided to use this free time to go to Ruby Skye or any venue when they could have went to the movies etc etc etc
A person who discovers dance music today IN ANY WAY isn't better or worse than someone who's been in it for months and years.
If you really think that way about a crowd, then why show up to be with that crowd.
Let me guess? So you can constantly ask us for more stage bracelets than you even need? Maybe because your "I know this DJ" knowledge puts you in a better care category than this "ruby skye crowd" you feel your bracelet has quarantine powers that separates you from dancers who have no idea who's playing
How's that for a judgemental assumption?
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Originally posted by Alain
This is such judgemental bull. There's a period in every person's life where they don't know who the DJ is regardless of the venue
It's not like people are born knowing who Darude is. You were someone at one point that didn't know the DJ playing, so was I and everyone else on this forum.
The majority of most people just want to be safe and have fun. If they discover an artist they like in any genre, good for them
Knowing who the DJ is doesn't make you or I a better partier or more knowledgeable about what dancing is really about
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Originally posted by DaveT
Blurr, Darude last time at Ruby was better than any night of him at 1015 when it comes to the atmosphere. Period. Mainly because the crowd was going off.
It was actually kind of a surprise. A nice surprise! And Darude must've been feeling it enough to ask for a mic to be hooked up two hours into his set so he could talk to the crowd.
It wasn't his best set musically (as he had a couple hiccups), maybe, but party wise it was the best. The first time I saw him at Ten15 was prob his best set musically as a whole, and that + a real good crowd that night put's it up there overall with his last time at Ruby.
So yeah, his 1015 nights were great! Just last time at Ruby a nice full, rowdy crowd came out and going by their reaction they knew who he was. His last gig at Ruby easily stands out because of all that. His first time at Ruby was more mellow and he def had better 1015 nights than that. That's not to say that night wasn't good either, because it was!
I have never missed Darude at a gig he had in SF. And should be able to hit this party up after I fly in to SF that Friday night. Happy happy joy joy.
(this all said, I wouldn't have any issues if Darude played at 1015...long as he makes his trips to SF!)
We all have a right to express any opinion we each want. Dont we? & we all have a right to express our own opinions in ANY way we want. Just like you did & have done.
This is called a message board & the USA!!!
LYNDSAYwhaaat?
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Originally posted by DJ Taj
We all have a right to express any opinion we each want. Dont we? & we all have a right to express our own opinions in ANY way we want. Just like you did & have done.
This is called a message board & the USA!!!
Yes! Yes we do! (you all look like a ghey) ;)
Alain
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Originally posted by DJ Taj
We all have a right to express any opinion we each want. Dont we? & we all have a right to express our own opinions in ANY way we want. Just like you did & have done.
This is called a message board & the USA!!!
Of course, I never said he or anyone shouldn't say that. I'm not talking about the fact he said it. I'm talking about what was said.
but I will defend the model of my debate any day
It will be like going to Outside Lands this weekend and judging a person for simply not knowing what band is playing on stage. It doesn't mean they don't care about the music culture or golden gate park.
Simply put it's not fair to judge someone simply because they don't know who's playing. The dance culture doesn't need people representing like this.
Koolaid74
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Originally posted by bigperf
SFTA meetup on thillseekers night could be interesting
I fully expect there to be glowsticks being passed out at the entrance... :D
Happy Friday, everyone!
element-y
Booked Darude and he was a class act and seen him three times now and always has a great set.
Also, I am glad its at Ruby just because I like the place a lot more than 1015 and I hope with the weekend of events, the vibe will be educated on who the club brings. Sure 1015 in general brings more talent that is lesser known and in that case you can say people are more "Educated" or what not, but I cant stand the main room there. Whereas Ruby at least has a nice layout. So if people go that week who know the artists, the overall party will be better than that of a 1015 one
AGAIN - MY OPINION... Dare I say to who I am talking to???I think they know
R!CH
if they are into the music and adding to the vibe, i think it's better to have people who don't know who the dj is in the crowd. it's like this night is their awakening and you're a part of it. much more significant than being in a crowd whose heard darude a dozen or more times and probably won't remember this night from the last a month from now. or someone whose comparing how well he's playing tonight to best night he's ever heard him. think about how active you were the first time you heard trance in a club and loved it. compare that to how active you are now, with all your education, now that you hear the same music you love. which crowd would you prefer?
i personally like it when people in the crowd ask "who is this guy? i love it!". i remember once at digweed this guy next to me was just amazed by how unexpected what he was hearing was and couldn't stop telling his buddy about it. things like that put a smile on my face. it's also happened to me on several occasions when people walk by ruby, become curious at the hustle and bustle out front and ask me "who's playing tonight? what kind of music is it?" and i tell them what's up convincing them to go in. then i see them inside later on having a blast. don't you like being around when someone wet behind the ears discovers for the first time something they never knew they liked so much? it doesn't happen all the time...
the other thing is that it's silly to assume that people in 1015's main room know who the headliner is and what their discog is like just because they're there. i'll bet you the whole back half of the crowd doesn't know who the debut headliners are, they just like coming to 1015 every weekend and hearing trance music, and there's nothing wrong with that either.
i've found it often to be the case that the most educated people at the party do the most standing around and the others, the noobs and the regulars who just show up to dance are the ones making the vibe. this is case whether i'm at a trance party or a techno party.
bigperf
i thought everyone knew Darude...or at least his productions.
lets not forget:
DJ Taj
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Originally posted by R!CH
i'll bet you the whole back half of the crowd doesn't know who the debut headliners are, they just like coming to 1015 every weekend and hearing trance music, and there's nothing wrong with that either.
you would be quite surprised on how educated the "back half" of the room is. & 16 Bit lolitas didn't play trance & the room was on fire. Matt Darey on V-day didn't play Trance & the room was on fire. I play other types of music then Trance & the room has been on fire.& i bet when Dusty kid comes to town he will have the room on fire with his minimal sounds. & the headliner for Sat Oct 3rd will for sure have the room melting. ;)
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Originally posted by Alain
I'm talking about what was said.
The dance culture doesn't need people representing like this.
what was said was an individuals opinions. Nothing more. To read into any deeper is in my view ludicrous. & IMO yes we need people like this speaking there truthful minds/opinions without sugar coating it or ass kissing others.
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Originally posted by element-y
Dare I say to who I am talking to???I think they know
Go ahead...what are you afraid of...Say it. ;)
Alain
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Originally posted by DJ Taj
what was said was an individuals opinions. Nothing more. To read into any deeper is in my view ludicrous. & IMO yes we need people like this speaking there truthful minds/opinions without sugar coating it or ass kissing others.
I understand it was an opinion. I'm not knocking a person for having an opinion or the act of having one.
To simply conclude what a person or a crowd is about from the simple notion of asking "who the dj is" is ridiculous. A self opinion? yes, but truthful? Off this example, I disagree because Blurr would have to know why the person(s) is there in the first place, for his words to be true.
Read any deeper? Isn't it ironic that me reading into this is a response to Blurr reading into a person's actions, because they don't know the person playing.
Me personally? If a person is there to have fun and not start any problems. That's more than good enough to make it a good party.
There's nothing to sugarcoat, because the point I'm making applies to any person/crowd in any music genre at any venue.
To be judged for what little you know about the EDM Dance Culture is uninviting and ridiculous. The only types of people that deserve this kind of attitude are the ones who act violently or are at the venue to cause disrespectful problems.
Alain
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Originally posted by R!CH
if they are into the music and adding to the vibe, i think it's better to have people who don't know who the dj is in the crowd. it's like this night is their awakening and you're a part of it. much more significant than being in a crowd whose heard darude a dozen or more times and probably won't remember this night from the last a month from now. or someone whose comparing how well he's playing tonight to best night he's ever heard him. think about how active you were the first time you heard trance in a club and loved it. compare that to how active you are now, with all your education, now that you hear the same music you love. which crowd would you prefer?
i personally like it when people in the crowd ask "who is this guy? i love it!". i remember once at digweed this guy next to me was just amazed by how unexpected what he was hearing was and couldn't stop telling his buddy about it. things like that put a smile on my face. it's also happened to me on several occasions when people walk by ruby, become curious at the hustle and bustle out front and ask me "who's playing tonight? what kind of music is it?" and i tell them what's up convincing them to go in. then i see them inside later on having a blast. don't you like being around when someone wet behind the ears discovers for the first time something they never knew they liked so much? it doesn't happen all the time...
the other thing is that it's silly to assume that people in 1015's main room know who the headliner is and what their discog is like just because they're there. i'll bet you the whole back half of the crowd doesn't know who the debut headliners are, they just like coming to 1015 every weekend and hearing trance music, and there's nothing wrong with that either.
i've found it often to be the case that the most educated people at the party do the most standing around and the others, the noobs and the regulars who just show up to dance are the ones making the vibe. this is case whether i'm at a trance party or a techno party.
A lot of this relates what I'm talking about, except these scenarios can apply to any crowd or venue.
Tosh
Does any of this have anything to do with one club trying to have a DJ and another getting that DJ?
Opinions are good, but this all seems a little sharp.
I know what you are saying about Ruby! You have those few people who only go there because they saw a line outside and figured there would be drugs available. I hate being asked while i am pissing "oy, got any X?" arrrggghhhh or the crazy asians that are so out of it on at least two or three kinds or drugs..... There are tourists there just cuz its cool
But i am guessing that its the people who are there for the drugs and cuz its "cool" that we are talking about, they bother me too...
I havent been to 1015 yet sadly! I dont know why.... But i cant wait to try it out.
Alain
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Originally posted by Tosh
Does any of this have anything to do with one club trying to have a DJ and another getting that DJ?
My words have nothing to do with this and I have nothing to do with the process of booking headlining talent.
As for what I've been saying, my opinion would still stand had the same thing been said about any venue, even if the same thing had been said about a customer at 1015 which I have absolutely nothing against.
I'm all about having more people enjoying dance music in anyway. I certainly wouldn't judge them or push them away based on what little they know of the artist or genre.
It's not necessary, especially when this culture needs more people to survive
