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Against musical incest
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
What happens to a music scene when producers become like political partisans, so blinkered that they can see good only in their own little niche? Personally I would like to know of any amazing musicians who are inspired only by music in a single tiny genre or subgenre. I don't even think there are any. When I go to someone's MySpace and see such an enormously broad (sarcasm) list of inspirations like "Above and Beyond, Sean Tyas, Sander van Doorn, Armin van Buuren," I almost immediately think the music is going to be generic and forgettable garbage, and I have not been wrong yet. IMO, people who write great music can appreciate it in many places, and take inspiration from all over.
So, what do you think about musical incest?
[Edited because I do not want to be seen as picking on one guy...] |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I almost immediately think the music is going to be generic and forgettable garbage, and I have not been wrong yet. |
You know, I've never put it into words, but I do the same thing. |
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| Morvan |
Most people just list what sounds similar and is known by a wide audience.
If you then dislike stuff that sounds similar it just means you don't like the specific style of music "Above and Beyond, Sean Tyas, Sander van Doorn, Armin van Buuren" produce, doesn't it? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Narrow interests lead to musical copycatting, and people who think that correctly compressing their kick drum, creating a massive supersaw, and precisely imitating Armin's bassline is as musically important as writing a great melody or danceable rhythms. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Morvan
Most people just list what sounds similar and is known by a wide audience.
If you then dislike stuff that sounds similar it just means you don't like the specific style of music "Above and Beyond, Sean Tyas, Sander van Doorn, Armin van Buuren" produce, doesn't it? |
I guess that can be fine, as a guide. But then I listen to the music and it sounds like their little list is all the music they have ever heard. |
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| Kysora |
I agree.. I can understand being influenced by other musicians (as I'm sure you can too, everyone has influences), but trance artists usually take it a step further and emulate or unconsciously copy the styles of other artists while calling it an "influence".
Though some people might argue I'm guilty of the same thing, my production style isn't exactly unique, though in a way that's hard to avoid. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I guess that can be fine, as a guide. But then I listen to the music and it sounds like their little list is all the music they have ever heard. |
i would agree.. personally these days i don't even listen to EDM, as i think i mentioned in another thread. just listen to loads of other stuff...
but i love making it :D
i think the people who sound so much like their list is because sooo many people (irritatingly) just try and copy everyone else's tunes though, so might be even more direct than just accidentally being influenced :p |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What happens to a music scene when producers become like political partisans, so blinkered that they can see good only in their own little niche? Personally I would like to know of any amazing musicians who are inspired only by music in a single tiny genre or subgenre. I don't even think there are any. When I go to someone's MySpace and see such an enormously broad (sarcasm) list of inspirations like "Above and Beyond, Sean Tyas, Sander van Doorn, Armin van Buuren," I almost immediately think the music is going to be generic and forgettable garbage, and I have not been wrong yet. IMO, people who write great music can appreciate it in many places, and take inspiration from all over.
So, what do you think about musical incest?
[Edited because I do not want to be seen as picking on one guy...] |
Well influences and what you enjoy need to be clearly defined as two completely different things.
I enjoy a lot of music/artists. Radiohead, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Eagles, Pink Floyd, Beethoven, The Deftones, The Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots, etc.
They all don't inspire me though.
I draw 99.9% of my inspiration from a single person who lives a completely different life now so that person doesn't even really exist anymore. I'd be interested to see if some here could guess who that person is :)
So yea, I think I'm the opposite of musical incest. (This probably isn't a good thing. I should probably 'open my mind' but I know what I like when I hear it so...whatever) |
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| Morvan |
| quote: | | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I draw 99.9% of my inspiration from a single person who lives a completely different life now so that person doesn't even really exist anymore. I'd be interested to see if some here could guess who that person is :) |
Cat Stevens? |
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| Zombie0729 |
i think producers who are just beginning their musical careers try to do a very common thing and thats replicate(btw i consider "beginning" the first 5+yrs of someones production life and that would include me). Even in sports people pick the swing of tiger woods or the putting stroke of Jack Nicholas... it's all part of the journey to get to a point where you have your own "stroke" (bhaha) & game play. Technique is important in music production and replication is sometimes the quickest way to learn why your heroes do what they do.
I also think a persons musical roots need to be looked at. So many people think Armin is their "roots" or a producer from 99 is their "foundation". In my opinion people should be digging deeper to see who's Armin's roots are or whoever they're looking up to because it's all going to go back to the 70s/80s. I've bought over 75 compilations & albums from the 70s & 80s over hte last 18mos just trying to learn and grasp so many things that i missed out on being the age that i am. While it's important to listen to current music it's even more important to listen to older music because 99% of what we're all doing is based on older methods :) |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
I also think a persons musical roots need to be looked at. So many people think Armin is their "roots" or a producer from 99 is their "foundation". In my opinion people should be digging deeper to see who's Armin's roots are or whoever they're looking up to because it's all going to go back to the 70s/80s. I've bought over 75 compilations & albums from the 70s & 80s over hte last 18mos just trying to learn and grasp so many things that i missed out on being the age that i am. While it's important to listen to current music it's even more important to listen to older music because 99% of what we're all doing is based on older methods |
Absolutely. |
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| palm |
| it can be looked at the same way as with superhumanbreeding, white tall blonde educated womans only having kids with white tall blonde educated men to make superhumans. by only listening to amazing trance and nothing else, ubertrance could approach, or youll have DNA-malfunction/mutation and end up with ASOT. |
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