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What is your approach to writing leads? (pg. 2)
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palm
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
the biggest mistake i hear when people write melodies is to leave a phrase unanswered.

what do you mean really? examples?
Sonic_c
Ok example are on the way, I'll write a piano melody leave it unanswered then i will answer it.

Unanswered download link

half answered Download Link

Fully answered phrase link

you will hear that the fully answered phrase sounds more complete.

Please excuse bad piano playing i only been learning 2 months and i didnt bother quantizing etc.
Beyer
quote:
Originally posted by Waza
For me it has to do with the sound i'm using. i get inspiration from the actual sound itself. then i just find what key i'm in and start picking out a melody from there. sometimes i right a few melodys out and keep them and go back in a few days to see what one sounds the best.


Same here..
palm
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
Ok example are on the way, I'll write a piano melody leave it unanswered then i will answer it.

you could just find some known tracks on youtube or something with both examples, so i know what u talk about.
Sonic_c
quote:
Originally posted by palm
you could just find some known tracks on youtube or something with both examples, so i know what u talk about.


Sorry didnt check back i did the piano thing now have a look at the post above its more clear i think doing it this way than trying to take apart someone elses melody to demonstraight my point. Plus where would i find someone doing it wrong?
palm
from the samples u posted it seems your talking about chord-changes?
it would be easier if u knew about some track in trance that do this you talk of good and easy to understand. i suck at theory.
DJ RANN
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
Ok example are on the way, I'll write a piano melody leave it unanswered then i will answer it.

Unanswered download link

half answered Download Link

Fully answered phrase link

you will hear that the fully answered phrase sounds more complete.

Please excuse bad piano playing i only been learning 2 months and i didnt bother quantizing etc.


I think you mean "resolved" - I've only heard question and answer (or response) used for drums/purcussion.

Palm, what he means is completeing the movement of the progression. Often this is to the orginal (or slight variation) of the original sequence of the progession (i.e. the same chord).

Also, just out of interest, why did you delete the SPDIF thread?
Sonic_c
quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
I think you mean "resolved" - I've only heard question and answer (or response) used for drums/purcussion.

Palm, what he means is completeing the movement of the progression. Often this is to the orginal (or slight variation) of the original sequence of the progession (i.e. the same chord).

Also, just out of interest, why did you delete the SPDIF thread?


No i dont mean "resolved" and I just sat a theory exam where one of the questions was here is an an unanswered phrase compose and answering phrase? Dont confuse the guy by throwing round theory terms about chords when we are taking about melodies.

Secondly Rann your making no sense

" completeing the movement of the progression. Often this is to the orginal (or slight variation) of the original sequence of the progession (i.e. the same chord)."

You should read what you said again it makes no sense

What i actually mean palm is melodies can be simplified by a phrase that appears to ask the question and one that appears to answer

Baa baa black sheep have you any wool? - Question

Yes sir yes sir 3 bags full - Answer

Just because i changed chord with my left hand makes no difference if i just played the right hand the melody would still sound complete.
palm
quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
just out of interest, why did you delete the SPDIF thread?

beacuse it was a worthless thread and i said some stupid stuff not worth saving lol. and i didnt get any answers other than what i knew from before.
palm
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
Baa baa black sheep have you any wool? - Question
Yes sir yes sir 3 bags full - Answer

what if its a monologue?

btw one simple way to do this is to have the same melody running for 1/2 bar panned left and the second 1/2 bar panned right lol. like their competing making the best sound out of the same midi. haha

RichieV
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
No i dont mean "resolved" and I just sat a theory exam where one of the questions was here is an an unanswered phrase compose and answering phrase? Dont confuse the guy by throwing round theory terms about chords when we are taking about melodies.

Secondly Rann your making no sense

" completeing the movement of the progression. Often this is to the orginal (or slight variation) of the original sequence of the progession (i.e. the same chord)."

You should read what you said again it makes no sense

What i actually mean palm is melodies can be simplified by a phrase that appears to ask the question and one that appears to answer

Baa baa black sheep have you any wool? - Question

Yes sir yes sir 3 bags full - Answer

Just because i changed chord with my left hand makes no difference if i just played the right hand the melody would still sound complete.


music theory is already walking on egg shells and this pseudo-intellectual bs doesn't help. How do you define a question ? How about an answer ? I thought all your examples sounded horrendous that i preferred the shortest version. Your "answered" example was demarcated more by chords so RANN had reason to bring them up. And just because you did a theory test doesn't mean your teacher is full of .

The important concept, which although RANN used in a way he probably did not mean is actually resolution. Resolution / complete / END are all similar when in comes to music theory. An answered phrase, is probably one that is resolved because the "question" usually ends on a dominant chord. But really, this is trance, not Bach choral 101.
palm
agree on that, theory doesnt really apply to edm.
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