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Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by The17sss
She's a mouthpiece for your party...


This is funny, cause I've never even heard her talk about anything. So I guess I'm really in tune with "my" party.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
This is funny, cause I've never even heard her talk about anything. So I guess I'm really in tune with "my" party.


Yes... she is a member of "your" party. I can't help it if you haven't seen her bloviating on tv man- it happens; I didn't imagine it.
MrJiveBoJingles
Who really watches TV news regularly these days anyway? Internet news ftw.
starboy
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Originally posted by The17sss
Fail.

Nice try. The modern day rethuglican party is a violent movement being driven by fox news. Here's some examples:

- Smith on DHS report and Holocaust Museum shooting: "It was a warning to us all, and it appears now they were right"

The murderers words "I was affraid obama was gonna take my guns away"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906100041

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7iY5uarA8

I can share numorous videos of bill oreilly's 5 year jihad against murdured abortion dr Tiller, or in billo's words "tiller the baby killer"

Or in glenn beck's words "we need to drive a stake throught the hearts of the blood suckers"

It's clear that right wing/anti-govt extremism is on the rise, resulting in the loss of lives, all due to nut bags like limbaugh/hannity/beck and others enticing voilence

How about the guy that shot up that church:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/J...o-suspects-car/

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Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show

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Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.


Here's another incident:

"Police: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/

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Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn’t clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns


Another: The murder of the abortion dr

"Suspect in George Tiller shooting is linked to anti-government group"

http://www.kansas.com/946/story/834448.html

The list goes on and on. During the 1990's there were 6 murders of abortion doctors, and 17 attempted murders.

During the bush years there were 0 abortion doctors murdered, and 0 attempted murders, i'm 99% sure of this fact, and 100% sure of the reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Also, does Timmothy Mcveigh ring a bell?
The17sss
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Originally posted by starboy
Nice try. The modern day rethuglican party is a violent movement being driven by fox news. Here's some examples:

- Smith on DHS report and Holocaust Museum shooting: "It was a warning to us all, and it appears now they were right"

The murderers words "I was affraid obama was gonna take my guns away"

It's clear that right wing/anti-govt extremism is on the rise, resulting in the loss of lives, all due to nut bags like limbaugh/hannity/beck and others enticing voilence


Also, does Timmothy Mcveigh ring a bell?


God you are so deep inside your cocoon that I can see it would be impossible for me to even make a dent. I just showed you the text from the police report saying that they don't know if the census worker's death was a homicide or suicide, let alone a shread of actual evidence outside of rumor that it was ideologically motivated, and you ignore it. You simply parrot what you read from the far left fringe.

I'll just leave you with this little nugget to demonstrate how far out out of touch you are. The guy who shot the guard at the Holocaust museum wasn't affiliated with the republican party at all. In fact, he was a NOTED 9/11 truther (far left democrat ideology), his personal essays spoke of hatred for Neocons, Fox News, and of President Bush, and John McCain. AND, on his hit list were the "Jews" that publish the CONSERVATIVE publication "The Weekly Standard". Seriously, get out more.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...ons-Bush-McCain

Oh- and Glen Beck is not a Republican, he is a libertarian. Unless you've been living in a cave the last few years (which it appears you have), you'd know that Beck was just as harsh, critical, and outraged at Bush and McCain as he is at Democrats; swelling government and it's nanny state-like control is what sets him off. LOL @ the Timothy McVeigh reference though- nice touch.

Edit: there are crazy s in the population no matter what, that are going to do crazy things. you can't just lump them into 1 or 2 categories across the board just because you think they share a common thread with a piece of one political party.
Moongoose
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Originally posted by The17sss
Fail. There is zero evidence that the census worker was "murdered" for ideological reasons; they don't even know if it was a suicide or not yet, moron.


So the guy who after a long while got what he wanted, loved his job, his family and everything just casually offed himself? Also he just managed to write the word fed on himself before he died?



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Originally posted by The17sss
Your beloved mainstream media went over the abortion doctor murder, blaming Fox News and conservatives everywhere, and even got Obama to say it was "a heinous act of violence." But a couple days later when the 24 year old military recruiter was murdered in cold blood specifically because the murderer hated our military and converted to Islam, nary a word was said by Obama or any "mainstream" news outlet, yet both were acts of domestic terrorism. Did you denounce MSNBC, Code Pink, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and all the democrats who spoke out against our military actions? I mean- they must be responsible too by their rhetoric inciting that guy's murder... right? I can tell you're a walking double standard man.


Did fox news tell you that no other mainstream media covered that? Ffs man, im from europe and i saw at least Olberman and Maddow (if were talking about msnbc) denounce it as an act of domestic terrorism, so i find it hard to believe that no one else on that or for that matter any other network failed to do so as well.
Also, even you have to see the difference between speaking out against military actions and constant open and direct attacks and targeting a single person. Show me, where some of the most highly regarded liberals called the whole military a bunch of mindless killers, gods mistake and so forth and maybe ill concede your point. On the other hand we have videos of the two most visible figures on the right (O'Rilley, Limbaugh) doing just that. Or if you still dont get it, then im calling every single republican ever, that said that government is bad and evil responsible for the death of the above mentioned census worker.





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Originally posted by The17sss
For scary lefties, see Bill Ayers who was actually responsible for someone's death when he bombed the pentagon and NYC police headquarters. See the guy that was demonstrating against Obamacare who had his ing finger bitten off by a rabid MoveOn.org member. See the SEIU union thugs that beat up a black conservative protesting in St. Louis who did nothing to them. I can go on an on.


See the white folks who turned up with ing assault rifles at town halls and obama speeches...


And you shouldn't worry about the guy who got his finger bitten off, he is in good hands. His healthcare is government run after all. Also he had it coming. Him complaining about what happened to him is like if those idiots who attack the dressed up cage fighters (video here in the cor somewhere) complained that they got punched in the face for no good reason even though they started the fight.
ToF
What I love about the American democratic process and the whole freedom of speech thing is that it simply entails of rednecks violently screaming and yelling what they want without any reason or considerations.

I was watching it on the news when the health debates were going on and it seriously reminded me of kindergarten with kids screaming "I want this, I want that."

Please tell me America has normal people who can present rational viewpoints in a sensible manner and then have the intellect to listen to the response and come up with a reasonable rebuttal. :conf:
couch-potato
get a brain!

morans
Zharen
quote:
Originally posted by ToF
What I love about the American democratic process and the whole freedom of speech thing is that it simply entails of rednecks violently screaming and yelling what they want without any reason or considerations.

I was watching it on the news when the health debates were going on and it seriously reminded me of kindergarten with kids screaming "I want this, I want that."

Please tell me America has normal people who can present rational viewpoints in a sensible manner and then have the intellect to listen to the response and come up with a reasonable rebuttal. :conf:


I'm sure they're out there, but I really don't know what the right plans to accomplish by continually accusing this administration of fascism/Nazism. Even a US Marine can't even control his own tantrums.



I'm sorry, but the moment you compare the opposing side to Hitler, is the moment you lose.
Domesticated
quote:
Originally posted by ToF
What I love about the American democratic process and the whole freedom of speech thing is that it simply entails of rednecks violently screaming and yelling what they want without any reason or considerations.

I was watching it on the news when the health debates were going on and it seriously reminded me of kindergarten with kids screaming "I want this, I want that."

Please tell me America has normal people who can present rational viewpoints in a sensible manner and then have the intellect to listen to the response and come up with a reasonable rebuttal. :conf:


Australia's politicians aren't any better.

In a recent parliamentary sitting one of our politicians put his hands over his ears and yelled 'la la la, la la la!' so he wouldn't have to hear the opinion of his opponent.

eROs.au
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On



omg i shouldnt be laughing but...:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
DjWhooCares
to add to this juicy discussion

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In May, a radical anti-choice crusader gunned down Dr. George Tiller, a Kansas physician who administered abortions. Prior to this incident, O’Reilly regularly singled out Tiller on his show, referring to him as “Tiller the Baby Killer,” saying that he “has blood on his hands” and that he “executes babies.” After the murder, O’Reilly stood by all his claims and even lied that he never called Tiller “Dr. Killer.”

Other hosts, such as by Glenn Beck, have attempted to scare the American public by calling the President a “socialist,” saying that he has ties to communists (or fascists), or that he’s even a “racist” who hates “white culture.” Beck regularly fears that the country is being “stolen” and has even said that the Obama administration had created concentration camps.

CLICKY


Fox news incites violence and hate on everything they disagree with.
plain and simple. Its all fear mongering to brainwash their viewers

you dont hear talk like that from any other news channel...
well besides lou dobbs...


oh and i love this bit...
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