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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I like reading Supreme Court opinions occasionally. Not so much bar exam essays. :-P |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
also, i'm mainly speaking for lawyers in south florida. obviously i can't say that about all lawyers, everywhere. |
As far as I have heard the bar in florida is well... set pretty low. :p
That state breeds scummy lawyers. You ever notice how many times you see those commercials for "if your family was injured due to asbestos/exploding toy X/car brand Y call these fine folks for help" and its a law firm based out of Flordia?
Those are corporate suit mills, no better than puppy mills.
Real law firms should never follow the corporate structure or base their purpose solely on generating profits.
If they are a good firm/practice then they will make plenty of money on reputation and competent legal services alone. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
the paralegals do that work, not lawyers. |
In a ty law firm yes.
Good lawyers hardly ever see the inside of a court room.
They keep their clients out of court, and preferably in arbitration if they do need a binding decision. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I like reading Supreme Court opinions occasionally. Not so much bar exam essays. :-P |
Scalia's dissent in Ira Gore v. BMW is one of my favorites so far. Hilarious! |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
the paralegals do that work, not lawyers. |
I'm talking M&A deals and preparing prospectuses kind of 'daily work'. Don't think that's done by paralegals anywhere. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
In a ty law firm yes.
Good lawyers hardly ever see the inside of a court room.
They keep their clients out of court, and preferably in arbitration if they do need a binding decision. |
LOL no it's actually the opposite. the lawyers who never step foot in a courtroom are usually PI ones who settle presuit w/ the insurance companies. all it takes to be a pre-lit attorney is negotiating skills.
and as far as the good lawyers who are in court all the time. it's all about what judges you know;) they show up to hearings late with no hearing notebooks when it's a judge they golf with every saturday and when it's a judge who hates him/her, they show up prepared with a hearing notebook that was prepared by the paralegal. which means pulling all the case law and organizing it and typing up the motion, etc... all he does is dictate it into his little recorder with his feet up on the desk and then bring it to his paralegal and go "here". lol
but hey, that's just how it is. i aint mad at them. they dont pay all that money and do all that studying in law school to work ffs right? |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
I'm talking M&A deals and preparing prospectuses kind of 'daily work'. Don't think that's done by paralegals anywhere. |
usually the "gopher" attorneys (law clerks, or associates fresh out of law school) do all the work for the senior partners. it's almost like the partnership initiation. gotta put in your time. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
LOL no it's actually the opposite. the lawyers who never step foot in a courtroom are usually PI ones who settle presuit w/ the insurance companies. all it takes to be a pre-lit attorney is negotiating skills.
and as far as the good lawyers who are in court all the time. it's all about what judges you know;) they show up to hearings late with no hearing notebooks when it's a judge they golf with every saturday and when it's a judge who hates him/her, they show up prepared with a hearing notebook that was prepared by the paralegal. which means pulling all the case law and organizing it and typing up the motion, etc... all he does is dictate it into his little recorder with his feet up on the desk and then bring it to his paralegal and go "here". lol
but hey, that's just how it is. i aint mad at them. they dont pay all that money and do all that studying in law school to work ffs right? |
Different fields of Law.
I am talking civil law, not criminal.
Also probably different cultures in Florida and here in Washington. I can say my dad is one of the most successful attorneys in his field in this state and he sure as hell doesn't go golfing with judges on Sunday. Maybe dinner parties and Operas though... :p Also my dad went to school with a lot of county judges (which served me well!). :D
Also my dad wont let his paralegals or interns touch ANYTHING. He is too controlling, he has his way of doing things.
But yea, his clients can't afford (literally) to go to court cause they are public institutions with budgets stretched thin anyways. He spends most of his time on the phone negotiating with other lawyers about how to settle something.
Not saying my dad can't handle himself in court, he and a former partner at his old law firm took a case to the US Supreme Court and won, and that same case is taught in Law Schools all across the country now... ;) :p |
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| Slylee |
| yea dont listen to me i'm just a jaded former paralegal. lol i'm so happy to be leaving that industry behind me. not a fan of lawyers in general, i've seen them up close and personal "behind the scenes" at the office too much and i know how most of them operate and my mind is made up. |
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| Lira |
I dislike lawyers from my city because their mediocrity is appalling. If you've got no talent and want to live off the government's - being paid stellar salaries you're able to raise every other year - go to law school, study hard for a couple of year and then become a(n idle) public servant, though most people just get stuck in the limbo. The disparity is so absurd it's not even funny: some government employees receive twice as much as the president, and that's without the bonuses! Mind you, in the very same city, a teacher working in a public school makes one tenth of what these guys do.
By the way, I'm also annoyed by the fact that law schools down here say they teach "legal science". How the is law a science? Even business administration is more of a science than law =/
That being said, my sister goes to law school, and she can't say what makes law so much more scientific than theology. |
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| astroboy |
| I graduated from law school and most of my friends are lawyers in either large national or medium sized law firms (mostly intellectual property, banking, construction or m&a/commercial litigation). Let me tell you all of them work their butts off, and don't get paid that much at all for the first few years. If someone's on a big corporate matter they're usually in the office til at least 8 or 9 pm. I'm not envious of them in the least. Having said that I've don't know what it's like to work for small firms dealing in personal injury etc.. might be a different kettle of fish. FOr the most part most lawyers I've known/met have been decent people who take their duty to the court quite seriously. |
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