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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
who creates the sound on the sax though
to me, organic means that the person made the sounds themselves as opposed to the total opposite which would be taking the sound from a sampled file on a computer. Live improv on a record is the pinnacle of the term organic. A piano solo or something else that was laid down, recorded, and not manipulated afterwards to much extent |
organic has to do more with internal structure, ie "Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected"
otherwise you just mean 'acoustic' or 'live'. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
We don't call singing an "organic" sound even though it's probably the only common sound that comes from an actual fleshy organ. |
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| Mattinsanity |
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no he's not, jesus is god |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
organic has to do more with internal structure, ie "Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected"
otherwise you just mean 'acoustic' or 'live'. |
I'm not on the same page whatsoever. If you have time can you smoke a blunt, wait for it to settle, and then elaborate with examples?
I'm honestly intrigued I've never heard someone say this before regarding the definition of term organic |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| He's quoting from the dictionary, Mark. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Industrial effects appear very, very rarely in mainstream dance music. Check out Download or a lot of deep/tribal house acts - they incorporate a much wider range of effects and structures (compared to trance) that are intended to sound earthier, more natural - even sampled from nature before manipulation (this is the industrial aspect). I'd say that pretty well exemplifies "organic" sounds, though the term is probably a journalistic one and therefore mostly bull. |
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| mehta |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
"Organic". It pisses me off when people think this refers to live instruments. Organic is not the antonym of synthetic. A saxophone is not an organism. It's a piece of metal. |
In EDM, "organic" refers to sound, not biology.:rolleyes: it's a good term in that it has a particular denotative meaning.
edit: read thread. ok, apparently people have different ideas about this term, but as I've understood it really has nothing to do with process or human input. a sampled bongo is "organic" - after some degree of processing, it becomes more like a synthesized sound.
of course there is a lot of grey area here. I find that after listening to a great deal of very technoid/synthy music, a lot of stuff seems very "organic" to me
but it is a good term for relative comparison - for example, luciano plays "organic" music, robert hood doesn't.
it doesn't matter that all the sounds are equally digital - we can still describe their sonic character |
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| Lews |
| I've always thought organic was stuff like Art of Trance made; lot's of samples of water flowing, frogs croaking, etc. |
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| Fledz |
| Techno - By a country mile and then some (mainly because of the Yanks). |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by mehta
In EDM, "organic" refers to sound, not biology.:rolleyes: it's a good term in that it has a particular denotative meaning.
edit: read thread. ok, apparently people have different ideas about this term, but as I've understood it really has nothing to do with process or human input. a sampled bongo is "organic" - after some degree of processing, it becomes more like a synthesized sound. |
So what's become apparent from this thread is that it definitely doesn't have a particular "denotative meaning" or people would be clear on that meaning. You go on to utterly contradict yourself and admit there's massive grey area. In fact, I've absolutely no idea what your definition is after reading your post. Thanks for that, Mr Green Rolleyes.
Like most of the terms in dance music, organic has no "particular denotative meaning" because nobody has ever standardised the jargon. It's just a term that has fallen into use and has been mangled by endless people hearing it and taking away their own interpretation.
As far as I'm concerned, the most simple, logical and semantically sensible definition of "organic" should be sounds which resemble an organic source. So stuff like Art Of Trance with lots of sounds from wildlife, or The FSOL's Lifeforms. The definition I'm annoyed at is used almost entirely by the techno/tech/deep house people. |
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| Schadenfreude |
The "organic" definition in terms of dance music is a slippery slope and leaves a lot open in terms of what it actually means.
Check the label Lomidhigh organic.
http://lomidhigh.com/?page_id=4
Not all of the releases have a truly organic feel to them, but some succeed quite nicely. It is just a silly tag line to get a marketing strategy across, it really does not mean anything important or argument worthy imo. |
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