DISCLAIMER: None of this has anything to do with the fact I live in Charlotte, I love Charlotte, I love Atlanta and go to many nights out in both cities each year.
//end disclaimer
Just to add fuel to the fire, and to continue on my no longer holding back
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Originally posted by mikebradley
The run we had at Bazzaar was pretty special. Atlanta was getting on the map. We constantly had agents calling us to book their talent in Atlanta after the experience they had here.
2009 Techno/Tech House talent
Wanna know the real truth, the Agents found out that there was a slight market for these hardly known DJ's and tried to capitalize on it. Nothing more, nothing less. Success comes from getting calls from AMOnly, Bullitt Bookings or other high ranking agencies that see true potential to make money and provide a safe and enjoyable place for the Artist they represent to play.
Of course individual success comes if those artist were all you ever intended to bring. Example: If I set my goal at bringing DJ Polywog (lol) to the Masquerade's hell and that was all my goal was, sure I could throw the money away and it would be a complete success in my mind. But if I set my goal to include actually making money and not losing money then it would have proved unsuccessful
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Originally posted by mikebradley Diagnostik
Touane - Lee Foss - Adultnapper - Mattias Tanzmann - Tim Green - Bruno Pronsato - Phil K
CUDS
Konrad Black - Seth Troxler - Ryan Elliot - Pier Bucci - Heat - Dario Zenker
So how many of these events proved successful when you define successful off making money at the door.
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Originally posted by inferno
Some djs who came to Atlanta in 2009:
Dario Zenker - 2562 - Appleblim - Pheek - Konrad Black - Pier Bucci - Touane - Mathias Tanzmann - Dilo - Ramadanman - Bruno Pronsato - Lars Behrenroth - Noah D - Joe Nice
Seriously, is there a website that just has all of these same artist listed as the most awesome parties Atlanta had in 2009?
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Originally posted by inferno
Also look at your booking fees for big name trance djs vs big name house djs or techno djs or dubstep djs.
Maybe someone should tell the Tiestos and PVDs that such an inflation of their "artform" makes them look like s.
If you could pack out the house and put money in your pocket, I think you would do it too. One of these days some of the artist you listed could be pulling in big numbers too
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Originally posted by Seppuku
If you look past mainstream trance, Atlanta gets a helluva lot more talent than Charlotte...even though we've been in a rut recently. Maybe its time to diversify yourself.
I think you need to follow what you are saying "diversify yourself"
Dream Beamz
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Originally posted by Seppuku
First of all, considering most of these events are less than 10 dollars, I get more than my moneys worth.
As I said a few post ago, the door entry alone is not the issue, its traveling to Atlanta and getting a hotel. That makes it less than my money's worth
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Originally posted by Seppuku The reason I am calling you closed minded is that you rely on big names and status of DJs to get enjoyment.
Like I said, you obviously do NOT know me. I go to smaller events all the time. I event went to a loft takeover party in NYC last month that was fantastic, you would NOT find it advertised on any message board.
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Originally posted by Seppuku Why not open yourself up to music that you haven't heard before? I have found so much music that I love - that I would have never heard otherwise - simply by going to see some "no name" DJs. I am not trying to bash what you listen to, but myself and others just can't get into the whole big clob rockstar/superstar DJ thing.
I open myself to music that I havent heard before all the time. I tried my damnedest to go to a party with this lineup
Craig Richards - Mr C - Bruno Pronsato Live - Danton Eeprom Live - Elon - Taimur - Fahad - Connie
That party was great because those people knew how to throw a party. If only a flight was available I would have been there. I know your about to tell me that Bruno came to Atlanta, yes I realize that but Bazzarr could not ever support a party like that.
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Originally posted by Seppuku You don't seem to get that some people enjoy smaller venues, with more intimate settings. When you take away the money, the egos, and the glam, you get the chance to hear some true, soulful sets that are infinitely better than anything I've ever seen in one of these "full experiences" you're describing. I guess you haven't heard any of it, but that kind of music simply does not work in that environment. And although the numbers are much smaller, these spots are packed and the vibe is great... hardly empty rooms with no crowd interaction.
I enjoy intimate nights out in smaller settings. I go to them all the time, just the parties you have described where far from those nights. You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.
inferno
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Originally posted by Dream Beamz
You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.
I've only ever been to music events within a 12 mile radius. Is that bad?
Dream Beamz
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Originally posted by inferno
I've only ever been to music events within a 12 mile radius. Is that bad?
well, if your looking for diversity, sure it is.......... If your content without looking "outside the box" then dont let me enlighten you.
WARNING: Dont look at this video if you want to stay within your 12 mile radius
Alexi Delano playing at 10am in a warehouse in Brooklyn
inferno
Anyways...
When I think of bad experiences of events due to poor planning by promoters, I think of Minitek. Venue shutdowns...new venue reassignments at 3 am, closing of Coney Island portion of event early, paying over $100 in addition to tickets already bought that should have gotten you into everything, etc etc.
Not someone bringing one "nobody" dj to a small club in atlanta and a lot of people having fun
Atlanta's scene is absolutely small, no matter how you slice it.
bigsnail
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Originally posted by Dream Beamz
WARNING: Dont look at this video if you want to stay within your 12 mile radius
Alexi Delano playing at 10am in a warehouse in Brooklyn
Daaaamn, thats what I'm talkin about!
amberella06
Charlotte does get a lot of other talent besides the mainstream stuff...it's just not posted on on this board----maybe I'll start posting them just for argument's sake. =) I may not like all types of EDM, but I still see a need to support the 'scene'. I'm open minded---I used to say that I didn't like DNB..but I finally went to a DNB show last year, and had a great time. Also, I just discovered dubstep last year, while it's not my fave genre of EDM, I do like it sometimes----I'll be hearing some on Friday courtesy of Hey Whore Hey(yep, I'm going to the Kingdom show here in Charlotte). Whether it's trance, electro, dub, etc....there are good artists & songs and of course bad artists & songs----this shouldn't be Charlotte vs Atlanta or whatever this is turning into...everyone is entitled to have their own preferences and not have to explain the reasons behind them.
What was that infamous phrase...
'Can't we all just get along?' =)
Dream Beamz
and one more thing, I dont go posting about all of the epic nights out I have at smaller parties with no name DJ's because not many people here want to hear about them. If I started posting all of the parties I went to that I thought were good, everyone would get sick and tired of hearing about it. Think on that for a little bit.
Seppuku
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Originally posted by Dream Beamz
As I said a few post ago, the door entry alone is not the issue, its traveling to Atlanta and getting a hotel. That makes it less than my money's worth
Like I said, you obviously do NOT know me. I go to smaller events all the time. I event went to a loft takeover party in NYC last month that was fantastic, you would NOT find it advertised on any message board.
I open myself to music that I havent heard before all the time. I tried my damnedest to go to a party with this lineup
Craig Richards - Mr C - Bruno Pronsato Live - Danton Eeprom Live - Elon - Taimur - Fahad - Connie
That party was great because those people knew how to throw a party. If only a flight was available I would have been there. I know your about to tell me that Bruno came to Atlanta, yes I realize that but Bazzarr could not ever support a party like that.
I enjoy intimate nights out in smaller settings. I go to them all the time, just the parties you have described where far from those nights. You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.
I will admit that you are probably much older than me and have had the opportunity to travel and see a lot more than me. I have been to WMC the past two years and am going again this year, hopefully along with DEMF. This summer, I am going to Japan. While I'm sure your list dwarfs mine, I have seen enough to know what I like. I have seen huge events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated. I have been to intimate events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated.
Your argument is, "well you guys need to travel more." However, this thread is about Atlanta. And Atlanta does not have the market for events of that calibur that are not superstar top 10 DJs. That is simple fact. Obviously DJs that would fill a big club in New York would not draw half the crowd in Atlanta because New York has literally millions more people than Atlanta. Luckily, we still have had the chance to see the same artists in a more intimate setting, and while some of them were a bit off, the majority were amazing. I'm content with that, because I don't expect more out of Atlanta. As far as I can tell, you haven't been to any of them...so how can you be so sure?
Fortunately, I think you'll find your previous post holds little weight with a lot of Atlanta's promoters. Most of these guys know they aren't going to make a killing off these events, but they do it to bring in artists they enjoy and have a blast doing it. Maybe you define success as money, but for some people there's more to it than that. :)
Dream Beamz
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Originally posted by Seppuku
I will admit that you are probably much older than me and have had the opportunity to travel and see a lot more than me. I have been to WMC the past two years and am going again this year, hopefully along with DEMF. This summer, I am going to Japan. While I'm sure your list dwarfs mine, I have seen enough to know what I like. I have seen huge events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated. I have been to intimate events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated.
Your argument is, "well you guys need to travel more." However, this thread is about Atlanta. And Atlanta does not have the market for events of that calibur that are not superstar top 10 DJs. That is simple fact. Obviously DJs that would fill a big club in New York would not draw half the crowd in Atlanta because New York has literally millions more people than Atlanta. Luckily, we still have had the chance to see the same artists in a more intimate setting, and while some of them were a bit off, the majority were amazing. I'm content with that, because I don't expect more out of Atlanta. As far as I can tell, you haven't been to any of them...so how can you be so sure?
Fortunately, I think you'll find your previous post holds little weight with a lot of Atlanta's promoters. Most of these guys know they aren't going to make a killing off these events, but they do it to bring in artists they enjoy and have a blast doing it. Maybe you define success as money, but for some people there's more to it than that. :)
My problem is that these events keep getting talked up like they were the best thing since sliced bread. Regardless of the city, they were not that good. Sure, I did not go to ANY of them, but like I said before the fact Bazzaar is not still here to grace us with all of its greatness says wonders. It is a known fact that most DJ's including these underground DJ's play their best when playing to a packed crowd. Most of the time you get a much more mediocre set in comparison when a DJ plays in a setting like that. Heck the fact that you cannot easily find one single video of one of these amazing nights on youtube says it all. I might be typing in the wrong keywords so please point me to it if I am missing it.
And for the record, I realize there is more to throwing a party than money, which is why I mentioned several scenarios above. But let me ask you this, when the promoter gets confronted by a venue to bring some music to a venue. Do you think the promoter tells the venue that they are only trying to bring the artist so that can say they did it for the good of music or do you think the promoter sells it with the intentions of bringing tons of people out.
About me talking about different cities, you brought up the other cities first and then tried to tell me that outside of WMC Miami actually still had a scene worthy of talking about. I was mearly proving you wrong. I would definitely have the first hand experience to do so. Heck, Florida TA used to be more of a home to me than southeast TA
trancension
This thread has gotten a lot dumber.
Seppuku
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Originally posted by Dream Beamz
My problem is that these events keep getting talked up like they were the best thing since sliced bread. Regardless of the city, they were not that good. Sure, I did not go to ANY of them, but like I said before the fact Bazzaar is not still here to grace us with all of its greatness says wonders. It is a known fact that most DJ's including these underground DJ's play their best when playing to a packed crowd. Most of the time you get a much more mediocre set in comparison when a DJ plays in a setting like that. Heck the fact that you cannot easily find one single video of one of these amazing nights on youtube says wonders. I might be typing in the wrong keywords so please point me to it if I am missing it.
Because for a lot of people, those parties were the best thing about Atlanta. And like I said, these DJs were not playing to an empty room. Bazzaar was absolutely packed for a lot of these, and it was a good move on the promoters' part to book them there rather a bigger club they couldn't get halfway full. There was never any lack of energy, and we still got great sets out of them. Like I said, you weren't there so your opinion holds little weight.
