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| WittyHandle |
| It isn't as special as it was, but look how huge they are in Europe. They've got every name you could want. Maybe Mtl is just in an interim phase until it gets to the next level. Or maybe it'll just lame out. |
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| 84th Ave. |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
It isn't as special as it was, but look how huge they are in Europe. They've got every name you could want. Maybe Mtl is just in an interim phase until it gets to the next level. Or maybe it'll just lame out. |
thats the difference between Europe and here. In Europe, its mainstream in terms of all the sponsorships etc, but they still bring in quality names.
Here its always the same recycled bull at massives.
I blame the promoters like BEB and etc. I still dont understand why they cant bring decent names in, when they already know its going to be sold out, they sell ticks before DJs are announced!!!!!!! |
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| Schadenfreude |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
It isn't as special as it was, but look how huge they are in Europe. They've got every name you could want. Maybe Mtl is just in an interim phase until it gets to the next level. Or maybe it'll just lame out. |
you can never compare montreal to europe. The exposure for the music as well as the support for "underground" (hate that term) music has always been a bigger, a big part of European culture, and this for a very long time. Montreal had a peak in which the electronic music phenomenon became larger than most other North American cities, hell you would see more techno nights here than Detroit for a period of time.
This does not change the fact that even though the support was great, it was never an iota of what it was in Europe. For many that time period was more of a drug culture thing, than a music culture thing. Many of the people i used to party with in the 90's for instance, left electronic music when the drugs stopped. It is no coincidence that the afterhours scene changed when the drug du jour did...not to mention the quality of these drugs decreased with popularity to facilitate mass consumption and get better profit margins.
I don't really blame Bal en Blanc for not catering to us, when we are not enough to turn a profit, and that the majority of their client base simply does not care about the music as long as there are lasers. We should be happy at the 1% that take this exposure and progress into finding more with the music.
I am sure that many of you that have partied in Europe will agree with this. You just have to see it to believe it. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by 84th Ave.
I blame the promoters like BEB and etc. I still dont understand why they cant bring decent names in, when they already know its going to be sold out, they sell ticks before DJs are announced!!!!!!! |
Why don't you throw your own party and let see (and laugh) about how well you'll fare.
But seriously, if those tickets are sure-sells like you believe they are, they would book only local djs and rake in the profits.
The only time Resolution sold out was with Tiesto last year, that's uber-commercial and you can't get more mainstream than that, anything more "underground" and ticket sale decrease. People have options, the first one is to keep that 100$ in their pockets. :p
Look at Black and Blue, outside from this forum, not too many people heard of Sasha and Digweed, which is a shame to our scene. And I'm sure you would piss all over them for being not enough "underground".:rolleyes: |
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| MediumCoke |
| Definitely. A law was passed and started going into effect in 2005 that prohibited indoor smoking in public areas such as restaurants, clubs, and bars. That was the beginning of the end for cigarette sponsorship. I'm not sure of if it came before or after the ban on indoor smoking but there was also a law that dictates that no cigarette company may advertise (ie. Sponsor) at events. This was one reason Montreal lost F1. Player's was a huge sponsor and after that law took effect, it became increasingly harder for the city to maintain the GV track and host the F1. That was a dumb move. Supporters of that law said that cig adverts encouraged smoking. But it's like Du maurier was sponsoring Disney on ice. Cig companies were sponsoring events attended by legal aged, consenting adults. Ugh...sometimes MTL boggles my mind. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Schadenfreude
For many that time period was more of a drug culture thing, than a music culture thing. Many of the people i used to party with in the 90's for instance, left electronic music when the drugs stopped. It is no coincidence that the afterhours scene changed when the drug du jour did...not to mention the quality of these drugs decreased with popularity to facilitate mass consumption and get better profit margins. |
True. The music was pretty much a side dish for most who went. When people asked how Montreal could support four afterhours clubs at one point, I just pointed to a leather-clad guy speeding by on two-wheeled vehicle.
Guess I was just getting dreamy there for a sec. |
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| malek |
| for a brief period we had 5 of them in the downtown core, aria, circus, gravity, stereo and sona v2. |
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| kanaBEATya |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
for a brief period we had 5 of them in the downtown core, aria, circus, gravity, stereo and sona v2. |
that's so true. crazy when you think of it! with red lite and mp3 on the outskirts as well..... |
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| Schadenfreude |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
for a brief period we had 5 of them in the downtown core, aria, circus, gravity, stereo and sona v2. |
and 3 of them were truly world class clubs. |
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| Schadenfreude |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
True. The music was pretty much a side dish for most who went. When people asked how Montreal could support four afterhours clubs at one point, I just pointed to a leather-clad guy speeding by on two-wheeled vehicle.
Guess I was just getting dreamy there for a sec. |
nothing wrong with getting dreamy. I miss the times when there was just too much choice for the patron as well. The problem with this was that the popularity of these places were skewed by the drug users and not the music lovers. These clubs overachieved because of the drug people, when in reality without them this city was simply not large enough to function with so many clubs.
Take Aria for example. The feat of getting that many people on the dancefloor every week was astounding (and probably not repeated since, i don't know the numbers now so i won't state this as fact.) Even when business was booming, JFL was actually losing money.
this convo seems to always pop up this time of year...don't worry, igloofest, mutek, and piknic are around the corner. Those are for catering to people like us, we just have to be patient.:)
If piknik and these organizations thought they could fill a massive with the names they bring in, i believe that they would probably do it.;) |
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| Spin Laden |
| quote: | Originally posted by 84th Ave.
Here its always the same recycled bull at massives.
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bottom of the barrel recycling too.. Guetta, Armin, Tiesto and soon to be deadhouse added to that list. I'll take the recycling of Lawler and Victor over the aforementioned, at least.
I think all the posts here are correct about the apparent shift. |
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| 84th Ave. |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Why don't you throw your own party and let see (and laugh) about how well you'll fare.
But seriously, if those tickets are sure-sells like you believe they are, they would book only local djs and rake in the profits.
The only time Resolution sold out was with Tiesto last year, that's uber-commercial and you can't get more mainstream than that, anything more "underground" and ticket sale decrease. People have options, the first one is to keep that 100$ in their pockets. :p
Look at Black and Blue, outside from this forum, not too many people heard of Sasha and Digweed, which is a shame to our scene. And I'm sure you would piss all over them for being not enough "underground".:rolleyes: |
like always, you missed my point, maybe i should articulate it better :)
If they would book all locals, much of the cliental would be pissed off, so they would never do that. MOST of the people, like it has always been for the last 4-5 years now, go to BEB because of the 'party', not to go see 'so-and-so dj', big names are still needed to strength the appeal, the BEB name
I went to black and blue, and it was fine, i loved it. Again, most people didnt go because it was Sasha & Digweed, most people didnt go because its a known gay-event. If S&D were at Resolution, there would be the same if not more people attending. You truly think that (most) people now say, "hey Above & Beyond are playing, lets go" Like Mr. Freak said, drugs and the whole experience has a big part of the reasons. Most people just go to these massives because they want to party, be with freinds, 'get ed with 10,000' lol
All am asking for BEB to do, is that you know they are going to sell x amount of ticks, trust me they are, all i want is to bring some decent djs, new faces, that still have some appeal and some quality in them. Even if they bring like Eric Prydz or something along those lines.
It sad, I hear Infected Mushroom is there again? I bet Armin or Tiesto is there again? and in the house room its going to be all guetta-type-djs with one quality one at 10 am
BEB is a cash grab, final. All they want is to pack the place like a heard of cows going into the slaughter house and maximize profits, and cut deals (contracts) with the same 6 DJs rotating every year. They don't even invest in decor anymore, last year was pretty pathetic ...Resolution was way better than any BEB i've ever attended.
But hey.....they are there to make money, so i cant hate on them, money is money....they are doing nothing in terms of the scene = quality, etc... |
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