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My guess as to why dance music is more disposable than ever (pg. 8)
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
You just described me to a T. I despise the long and boring do-nothing/go-nowhere intros, particularly when it's just a kick and/or kick/off-beat bass. |
Your post was very thought provoking and goes right to the heart of something that's been in my mind a while.
When I play tracks to my family / freinds who are'nt trance heads they want to know 'where's the beef'? They can't stand the long intros and tbh nor can I.
I've been 'playing along' ever since I saw that vid by The Thrillseekers where Hilstrap (?) said he disguards any tracks that don't have a long dj freindly intro.
I think I'm going to revolt now |
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| kitphillips |
If you want DJs to play your tracks, I recommend you give them a DJ friendly intro. give them two mixes if you want, one as a radio edit, but the intro is conventional and neccesary for any DJ who uses CDs.
I think that there are tracks made to be played in DJ sets and tracks made to be played stand alone, or as the centrepieces as DJ sets. A lot of the best tracks in sets are just dead boring on their own, but a set full of individual tracks is a horrible thing to listen to.
Tracks which are more set focussed are going to sound better in DJ sets, but tracks that are more album focussed are going to sound better when played by the producer themselves, preferably as live as possible.
Personally, I try to combine a bit of both in my DJ sets, but still haven't reached the point where I can play my own tracks live quite yet. I think with advances in computer power it'll become easier, and this'll be a good thing for the scene generally. I think dance music lost something when people stopped carting their 303s and 808s along with their records to gigs, which was a common way to play a set up until the late 90s from my understanding. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
i hate to play dumb here but if you cut out the dj's how will the producers get there music played? does this meen a new wave off producers who only play thier via live gigs,rather then conforming to the mp3/cd formate.:conf: |
And wouldn't that be a deeply situation given that you'd only ever hear the music of local artists, rather than hearing the latest tunes from around the world in your local club. |
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| Subtle |
| One day i am going to make a track that peaks after 10 minutes! |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
If you want DJs to play your tracks, I recommend you give them a DJ friendly intro. give them two mixes if you want, one as a radio edit, but the intro is conventional and neccesary for any DJ who uses CDs.
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You can make a DJ friendly intro and still keep it interesting to the casual listener. It's not that hard. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
i hate to play dumb here but if you cut out the dj's how will the producers get there music played? does this meen a new wave off producers who only play thier via live gigs,rather then conforming to the mp3/cd formate.:conf: |
don't get me wrong. Maybe I didn't state it correctly. The era of the rockstar dj has come to an end. I don't believe that GOOD and talented dj's will disappear. I just think time has come for the people with real talent to come up and stand out, not a self-sufficient dj nor a bread-and-butter producer making his melodies only with a mouse into his edit grid.
Out of the thousands of millions of artists in this world, only the strongest and./or the the ones who dare will stand out. You'd better have both and stop being shy. |
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| adi_hanson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
don't get me wrong. Maybe I didn't state it correctly. The era of the rockstar dj has come to an end. I don't believe that GOOD and talented dj's will disappear. I just think time has come for the people with real talent to come up and stand out, not a self-sufficient dj nor a bread-and-butter producer making his melodies only with a mouse into his edit grid.
Out of the thousands of millions of artists in this world, only the strongest and./or the the ones who dare will stand out. You'd better have both and stop being shy. |
Charles Darwin would of been proud of you!
Survival of the fittest.
But I started making melodies with my mouse until I bought a several hundred pound (£) Midi synthesizer keyboard lol:D |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
don't get me wrong. Maybe I didn't state it correctly. The era of the rockstar dj has come to an end. I don't believe that GOOD and talented dj's will disappear. I just think time has come for the people with real talent to come up and stand out, not a self-sufficient dj nor a bread-and-butter producer making his melodies only with a mouse into his edit grid.
Out of the thousands of millions of artists in this world, only the strongest and./or the the ones who dare will stand out. You'd better have both and stop being shy. |
it's funny because when ever i played any of your tracks it allways sounded like you made them how you wanted:tongue2 i myself have fallen into the trap off keeping up to speed because my early work was dissmissed for not being in keeping with the times.
so you have given me something to stop and think about;) |
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| hexadecimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
because no matter what gear u have the standard is still 16bit, and that only allows what it allows. and not to mention mp3, we have 1/4th of the avaliable info in todays "best" commercial format compared to CDs in the 90s. and thats the best. normal is half of that again, like 1/8th or 1/12th of the info compared to before. mp3, compression and all that . goodnight. |
Wow, I can't believe it was never clear to me. That explains EVERYTHING!!! The producers who went from bedroom DJ to reason producer to superhero famous PROducer in a month are actually incredible musicians. It's just the bitrate making them sound like ! |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
One day i am going to make a track that peaks after 10 minutes! |
one day I will make a track that will be very enjoyable silence. everyone will go nuts for it... and it will be overcompressed to . mark my words, all rules - whoosh! out the window. yup. I'm a visionary, I know. Feel free to worship me. Silently. Shhhhh! Can you hear it? Turn everything off! yes. That's the sound of me, being worshiped more than Tiesto or Armin combined and multiplied by PvD. :tongue3 |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
one day I will make a track that will be very enjoyable silence. everyone will go nuts for it... and it will be overcompressed to . mark my words, all rules - whoosh! out the window. yup. I'm a visionary, I know. Feel free to worship me. Silently. Shhhhh! Can you hear it? Turn everything off! yes. That's the sound of me, being worshiped more than Tiesto or Armin combined and multiplied by PvD. :tongue3 |
It's been done. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It's been done. |
damn it. everyone keeps steeling my ideas! I knew it. ;) |
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