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How do you tune a kick or find out it's key? (pg. 3)
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
I played violin for 9 years. This was followed by 7 years of drums, with 2 years of guitar and a year of piano in parallel. I studied Suzuki method from the age of 5, giving me an ear for music that few people can match.
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| Mr.Mystery |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Ok peep this. I will now explain how to key drums. Open logic. Drop A kick on a channel.
What you got there?
Well click on it to open the logic sampler.
Make sure you are on that track. Then Click Audio to score. Drag the midi file created to a instrument channel. You will see that the sample is is D. You need it to be in c were the rest of the track is. Go back to the audio channel. Open it time and pitch machine and pitch the down 200 cents. If you got serato algorithm its better.
100 cents is one semitone. In case you are a no music fag-boy opportunist a semitone is the distance between a black key and and a white one on the piano.
Well now you need to pitch it down 200 cents. 100 cents will get you to D Flat.
Another 100 will get you to c were the rest of your track is. (Supposively.)
Hit process and save the on your Desktop.
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Or, you could just use Melodyne (or your pitch correction tool of choice) and "drag the " down to C. :toocool: |
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| Existo22 |
| Whatever works. I like to tune em and be done with it. So I use the logic pitch machine with serato pitch and time plugin. No need to tax the CPU with having 6-7 open plugs goin doin the math live. Just figure out what key you at and use the pitch function or a tuning plug to pitch it down to were you got to be. Done. Then you know how to EQ the whole thing ;) |
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the tuning method works. That said... it's not something one must do every single time. It depends on the kick. If it's short I doubt it needs tuning. If it's longer that's another story.
Then you've got to understand the physical process involved each time you hit a kick drum. when you hit it the air passes through the hit point into a resonance box and slows down, which means that the pitch will go down. Some kicks are tuned so they lose their volume (as volume envelope) before the pitch entirely goes down entirely. So you're coming from medium to low.
the pitch-enveloped sine is probably the most common thing into our genres. It's too perfect so you have to deal with its "perfection" compared to a real kick drums. The fundamental frequency is the lowest frequency you hit each time. That's what some want to tune.
If you want to know its "key", I guess that's because the pitch env decay is short while the amp decay is long, leaving a lot of static tonality.
In this case I'd not hesitate if you can't hear the signal, as a sine is not easy to analyse at very low frequencies. Each time I have to do that, I just take a simple distortion plug-in, by not pushing too hard, the fundamental frequency into the sustain part of your kick should get really clear. Once done, I can retune if needed, and then remove the distortion plug-in.
But physically a kick drum, a real one, doesn't have any fundamental frequency as the air that passes into the drum slows down until there's no air anymore.
So, yes the tuning trick works with electronic sources, it's far more subjective with acoustic material though.
And after all, 99 times out of 100, I'd use my ears, and not worry too much about it. It sounds right or it doesn't, but a little bit knowledge always helps, too. Makes you feel comfy. |
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| rulzz |
| not to offend anyone here i think a lot of people who tune their drums are wasting their time, sure it might make a difference in few cases but overall no regular listener is going to give a flying doo doo about a kick tuning when they hear it at home. I say divert your attention more to overall flow/CONTENT of composition rather than gimmicking (is that even a word?) up your productions just so some other producers would notice or a subtle difference would be heard on a louder system. [/rant] |
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| evo8 |
| If you push your kick up an octave it can be easier to determine the actual pitch, once you know what the pitch is then put it back down an octave or -10 semis or whatever pitch you want... |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
If you push your kick up an octave it can be easier to determine the actual pitch, once you know what the pitch is then put it back down an octave or -10 semis or whatever pitch you want... |
And that's one of the reasons there's not much point tuning your kick, unless you're using a pure sine kick.
See richieV's post on the first page.
@existo, I work at a high end studio in LA. And get paid to "peep game" :rolleyes: .
The guys who don't want to share are the guys that know that's their only tool. They guys who can pull it out everytime, have no problem sharing because they know they're ahead of the curve in knowledge and skill, not in one shot gimmicks.
By the way, the 808 kick is actually A flat ;) |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And that's one of the reasons there's not much point tuning your kick, unless you're using a pure sine kick.
See richieV's post on the first page.
@existo, I work at a high end studio in LA. And get paid to "peep game" :rolleyes: .
The guys who don't want to share are the guys that know that's their only tool. They guys who can pull it out everytime, have no problem sharing because they know they're ahead of the curve in knowledge and skill, not in one shot gimmicks.
By the way, the 808 kick is actually A flat ;) |
yeah all depends on the kick of course, sometimes i find its actually nicer though when the kick is a different pitch than the bassline... |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And that's one of the reasons there's not much point tuning your kick, unless you're using a pure sine kick.
See richieV's post on the first page.
@existo, I work at a high end studio in LA. And get paid to "peep game" :rolleyes: .
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Sigh... But a electronic kick drum ain't nothing but a pitch modulated Sine Wave you ing idiot!
The first half is the Attack phase and the second half is the Bass Wave. :disbelief
You know you can create your own individual custom Kicks by combining the Attack phase of one Kick with the Bass Phase of another Right? :nervous: But you gotta know how to tune them so they in key with your bass. You know there is a tuning function on the MPC? Everybody from Scott Storch to Dre usin' them. Even Bt records are always in Key. Coz he know what he is doing.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN The guys who don't want to share are the guys that know that's their only tool. They guys who can pull it out everytime, have no problem sharing because they know they're ahead of the curve in knowledge and skill, not in one shot gimmicks.
By the way, the 808 kick is actually A flat ;) |
Mother****** wanna go out and buy 7k dbs like he is a big hot shot mastering engineer. Mother****** you don't even know you to use a ing drum key! Granted your average drummer don't really know how to with this but that why the paying you the ''big hotshot engineer'' for right? Oh.
Now go out and buy some more gear bitch.
You know you can set the attack and release of the compressor depending on the track and how you want the compressor to ''thump.'' But I ain't giving you mofos no more game. Oh no. Yesterday I dropped the science. Today... it's different. Today Existo is feeling more competitive. There ain't that much cookie dough to go around these days so those who paid their dues and know the basics and have seen producers make the platinum hits with their own eyes will eat. Those who don't will bull. ;)
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
By the way, the 808 kick is actually A flat ;) |
But G sharp is A flat you no music tard opportunist ;) that wanted to get into some you had nothin to do with. Lol.
Ask the violin playin' dude with an excellent ear for music...
Tell him. Existo say that G sharp is A flat. Is that true?
He should be able to answer that one. Shieeet.
I'll give you a tip boy. If you fakin' it keep your mouth shut and nobody will know how clueless you are. ;) |
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| palm |
| run it through heavy distortion/overdrive (like scream in reason) to make a gabber kick, alot easier to hear the note (if it got a tail though). |
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