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New toy.. UAD 2 Solo Neve (Your thoughts on UAD welcomed) (pg. 3)
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I didn't diss you. I just think you are uninformed and your assumptions are wrong and it is frustrating having to deal with people that have only known one side of the argument. Am I incorrect in my assumption ? Have you had your card for longer than a year ? Is it safe to say you haven't ever used the real thing ? |
No see you are assuming stuff and you know what they say about assume :D
A. I don't use cracked waves plug-ins. I got plenty of real gear here. :)
B. Yes I have had my card for more than a year.
C. I have interned at a real studio were I was not paid in money but I was paid in peeping game.
They had all the vintage goodies there and I was the person patching them. ;) Plus I have a purple compressor which is a perfect Rev D 1176 compressor. The use to sell these in kits back in the day. Ask the peeps at the prodigy forum. They will tell you the story.
| quote: | | Originally posted by RichieV I just can't stand the types of responses that don't look at things objectively. I said UAD make great plugins but they aren't the only ones. They have flaws and it serves no purpose to tell people they are the best and everyone else sucks. The owner of UAD wouldn't even agree to that. |
I never said they are the only ones. I said that the UAD plug-ins are so good that the competition might as well just give up. And I put it in bold because let's face it that was a pretty bold statement. :D The truth is I played around with a friend of mines focusrite liquid mix eq compressor hook up and thought it was pretty cool as well.
But I already got that situation sorted here.
Homie honestly you are being disrespectful assuming that I was using cracked waves plug-ins and straight dissing me going on about how I am clueless... come one now naughty naughty... :D tone down the attitude nobody got beef with you here :p
Cheers :) |
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| RichieV |
| Well that bold statement is ridiculous and makes you sound a few marbles short. |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
Well that bold statement is ridiculous and makes you sound a few marbles short. |
No need to get all worked up and insult and bring all this negativity...
Come on now :D I didn't diss your waves plug-ins :p
I had the Waves stuff too homeboy. On my old G4. Back in the day. I don't use them no more I sold them. A combination of stock logic stuff the sonnox eq UAD stuff and lots of hardware works best for me. If you like waves use waves :D They were the hottest thing in the 90s. They literally started all this plug-in craze. One  |
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| No Left Turn |
I love my UAD cards. Definitely my best purchase of last year and this year for sure.
It doesn't bother me that I can't run 400 Neve EQ's in my mixes. I only need a few in my mixes and I'm good. Same goes for the 1176, LA-2A, and every other plug-in I own. I definitely don't see my UAD cards as "adding power" to my system. My Core2Quad has PLENTY of processing power to run my native plug-ins. The UAD platform just seemed to have the better vintage emulation plug-ins that I was looking for and they've changed the way I mix for sure. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
I had the Waves stuff too homeboy. On my old G4. Back in the day. I don't use them no more I sold them. A combination of stock logic stuff the sonnox eq UAD stuff and lots of hardware works best for me. If you like waves use waves :D They were the hottest thing in the 90s. They literally started all this plug-in craze. One |
You do realize waves have updated their plugins in the last 5 years ? As far as waves not being relevant anymore, I think you will find every major studio in disagreement with you. They are still the industry standard plugin suite well above UAD. That isn't to flatter waves but rather to shut you up with your uninformed uttering regarding things you don't understand.
And i'm not worked up. My work does not involve any of this but I am around some of the biggest names in engineering and production and I do pay attention to water cooler talk. |
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| kitphillips |
Homies is this existo in the beginning here up in this bitch yo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJeiRVnlu8&feature=related |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
You do realize waves have updated their plugins in the last 5 years ? As far as waves not being relevant anymore, I think you will find every major studio in disagreement with you. They are still the industry standard plugin suite well above UAD. That isn't to flatter waves but rather to shut you up with your uninformed uttering regarding things you don't understand. |
And guess what those updates where....
Vintage emulations?
Why? :D |
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| RichieV |
| does it matter why ? They are just one of the companies that make great plugins. There is more out there than UAD. That is my only position. You on the other hand discount anything other than UAD which makes you somewhat asinine. You will actually find that most big studios don't use UAD. The latency is unacceptable for high end use. |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
does it matter why ? . |
Why?
Come on now :D
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
They are just one of the companies that make great plugins. There is more out there than UAD. That is my only position. You on the other hand discount anything other than UAD which makes you somewhat asinine. You will actually find that most big studios don't use UAD. The latency is unacceptable for high end use. |
Most of the high end studios I have been to stick to real gear. But for a home type situation people use what works for them. There is no such thing as ''industry standard'' plug-ins.
Most high end $1000-2000 a day rooms might use something like a sony EQ and then use the eq on the SSL board. Unless they are strictly tracking a record to be mixed at another studio. In that case they might stay in the box at that stage for easy recall.
But is is down to the engineer and what he likes. Some people stick to waves others use the stock pro tools stuff but these days everybody is using the sonnox plug-ins.
Those sony plug-ins have millions of dollars of research and development. The old sony digital desk used to cost a good 200.000 to 500.000 back in the 90s. The stripped down 20k version is still in use in a lot of the higher end personal studios.
But as far as plug-ins for a electronica home studio that doesn't already have 50k of vintage analog stuff around I think he made a great purchase here with his neve UAD2 bundle.
To my ears the universal audio stuff sounds a lot better than the waves offerings.
Plus not only do they sound better than pretty much everything else but upgrading to add more plug-ins does not cost a fortune. I hate being ripped off.
But different strokes for different folks.
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. ;) |
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| DjStephenWiley |
thanks for staying on topic...at least you did mention my purchase a bit existo :) thank you.
I probably should have done some more research before purchasing this, but took the advice of somebody I trust. What is this latency thing Richie keeps talking of? How bad is it and can I just offset it by putting my aux tracks on a delay or something or is it really not even noticable??? I mean if I'm using my Neve CS and trying to highly control some dynamics with a gate...delay time is obviously going to be pretty f'in important?? |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
thanks for staying on topic...at least you did mention my purchase a bit existo :) thank you.
I probably should have done some more research before purchasing this, but took the advice of somebody I trust. What is this latency thing Richie keeps talking of? How bad is it and can I just offset it by putting my aux tracks on a delay or something or is it really not even noticable??? I mean if I'm using my Neve CS and trying to highly control some dynamics with a gate...delay time is obviously going to be pretty f'in important?? |
Does your daw not have automatic delay compensation?
If it does you are set. You will never notice any delay no need to mess around with delays.
Plus the uad-2 got the mic switch. The live track switch is for the UAD2 cards only. It reduces the plug in to its lowest latency while tracking.
''Reduced latency in LiveTrack Mode is accomplished by circumventing the
standard buffering processes. Normally, UAD-2 signal data is buffered at the
audio interface I/O sample buffer size (such as 128, 512, or 1024 samples)
which results in a processing delay.
In LiveTrack Mode, UAD-2 signal data is transferred and processed “immediately”
instead of being buffered, resulting in reduced latency.
When LiveTrack is active, host CPU loading increases. The host load is directly
proportional to the DSP load of the UAD plug-in(s) in LiveTrack mode,
however host CPU is never used for Powered Plug-in processing.
Extra Latency using LiveTrack
When extra buffering is enabled (page 71) or when upsampled UAD plug-ins
(page 100) are used with LiveTrack, latency is increased. Extra buffering
adds 64 samples, and each upsampled plug-in using LiveTrack adds the
value from Table 7 on page 101."
I got the older generation UAD1 card. I am running logic at 1024 samples for mix down. So I can run as many tracks as I need. Live super fast processing is not exactly a priority for me :p If I am recording vocals there are work arounds. I am monitoring through a mixer no need for a 10k ''live'' pro tools hook up although that would be nice... |
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