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New toy.. UAD 2 Solo Neve (Your thoughts on UAD welcomed) (pg. 5)
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
When you look at pricing, then look around at other companies (in particular Waves) UAD gains a huge advantage. . |
Incorrect. Waves is either the same or cheaper when you buy per plugin.Only exception is a few of their newer plugins. As far as your comment about CPU saving, it is a myth. If anything, UAD will spike your asio bandwidth. I've had the opportunity to run native plugins that were available for the powercore and the cpu hit is negligible. Granted this isn't UAD but i'm pretty certain it would be the same for UAD. The cards are dongles and the cpu saving marketing is a gimmick. Still, great plugins. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
Incorrect. Waves is either the same or cheaper when you buy per plugin.Only exception is a few of their newer plugins. As far as your comment about CPU saving, it is a myth. If anything, UAD will spike your asio bandwidth. I've had the opportunity to run native plugins that were available for the powercore and the cpu hit is negligible. Granted this isn't UAD but i'm pretty certain it would be the same for UAD. The cards are dongles and the cpu saving marketing is a gimmick. Still, great plugins. |
Running plugins on a UAD card versus running those plugins on CPU will save CPU - therefore not a myth/gimmick
As for spiking your ASIO bandwidth (whatever that means) that seems more like a myth to me, never experienced any problems with this, maybe you have although i doubt as you dont seem to be a UAD owner........ |
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| RichieV |
Each plugin requires CPU and you will notice this on your DAW meter. Load up a bunch of plugins and you will notice your DAW asio meter creeping up. The cards also limit the instances of plugins which if ran natively , would not be an issue. The cards are a disadvantage. The fact is that most would be able to run more of the plugins if the interface wasn't crippled by the outdated cards they use.
As to not being a UAD owner , had you read the previous threads, you would of come across the post which stated that i've owned two cards for many years with all the plugins minus one so I am not speculating. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
Each plugin requires CPU and you will notice this on your DAW meter. Load up a bunch of plugins and you will notice your DAW asio meter creeping up. The cards also limit the instances of plugins which if ran natively , would not be an issue. The cards are a disadvantage. The fact is that most would be able to run more of the plugins if the interface wasn't crippled by the outdated cards they use.
As to not being a UAD owner , had you read the previous threads, you would of come across the post which stated that i've owned two cards for many years with all the plugins minus one so I am not speculating. |
You own all the plugins minus one - why :conf:
Why dont you spend your money on native plugins instead or better still, sell your cards and then you have even more to spend on native??? |
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| RichieV |
I never advocated not using UAD. My only argument is that they aren't the greatest thing since slice bread and to balance the argument against some of the more retard comments like "they are the only plugins"" .... And I explained my situation with my UADs. I sold them when I moved to the USA to take a job orchestrating. I had them at a time when CPUs weren't that powerful and it made sense but at the time of sale, CPUs were making incredible strides and the cards were more impediments rather than CPU savers.
I don't think I would purchase them again unless for really cheap as the latency for me is a deal breaker. There is a significant initial investment , the plugins have fairly equivalent native competitors at similar pricing and the interface limits the amount of plugins you can use. These are things to keep in mind. |
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| meDina |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
does it matter why ? They are just one of the companies that make great plugins. There is more out there than UAD. That is my only position. You on the other hand discount anything other than UAD which makes you somewhat asinine. You will actually find that most big studios don't use UAD. The latency is unacceptable for high end use. |
I work at East West Studios (former cello) and they have uad quads AND waves bundles in all 3 of the rooms here. These are stocked up rooms with clients like rihanna, glee, eric clapton etc. They don't depend on the UAD stuff for everything or anything like that, but it is being used. I agree with you though, UAD is not the end all be all, and there are definitely other plugins that will work for certain things. But until there is a native fatso/emt emulation i will want a uad card :( We have a real emt here.. that thing feels like you are driving a car when you use it lol. |
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| evo8 |
ok well then my thinking and yours re UAD at the moment arent a million miles away, as i said on the first page i think the latest cards are a bit underpowered but to say they are a disadvantage, im not sure i can agree on that, still think for me personally the ability to run FATSOs etc without extra CPU load (not IME anyway) is still and advantage to me, id imagine the equivalent native FATSO would use a fair few cycles...
I think its a critical time for UAD now, but getting the likes of Lexicon on board will help, as the Lexicon native are quite expensive, looking forward to the dbx plugins as well.
Native has closed the gap recently, UAD's EMT has a rival with EMpTy room systems EMT250 plugin, forthcoming Relab 480L which has supposedly nailed the recreation of the lexicon 480....plus softube have their version of the trident etc etc... |
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| meDina |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
Native has closed the gap recently, UAD's EMT has a rival with EMpTy room systems EMT250 plugin, forthcoming Relab 480L which has supposedly nailed the recreation of the lexicon 480....plus softube have their version of the trident etc etc... |
Awesome! didn't know about that. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
don't forget about manley passive eq and emt 140 that are coming soon as well.
i've read a lot on here about the fatso but its tough for me to drop 300 on a plug that i can run two instances of. yes i know i can bounce but i know im going to want to use it a lot and we all know that mixing is a fluid process that requires adjustments to nearly every track as you go along. to be fair i dont think there is any cpu out there that could run enough fatso's to please somebody. i already max out my CPU with my plug-in use and I use a lot of very light CPU usage plugs. I just tend to personally use quite a few.
we'll never see an emulation of the EMPL Distressors in the way UAD did them. They worked hand in hand with the chief engineer and no other company is going to be able to have that luxury. It was the most complicated plug they ever made even with the help they received in making it. Others will probably try, and might make things people like, but a true emulation will almost certainly never be topped.
I suspect this is the route that UAD is going to start going as they see competition increasing. Their "flag ship" is not going to be CPU relief or having the best sounding plugs, but rather having the most accurate emulations available. Just my opinion and it's a rather ignorant one as my UAD 2 Neve just shipped today. |
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| Zombie0729 |
i totally agree with everyone who says the chipsets are dated, they are. i mean you pull out a protools card and it has like 30+ chips on there, for UAD to wait 6 yrs to put 3 extra chips on their flagship 2009/2010 product was a bit disappointing. I was actually hoping they would do something like what powercore did, run PCI or firewire but housed in a box that was rack mountable and upgradeable. I’m having to sell stuff to upgrade from my 2xUAD-1’s to a UAD2 Quad, but I can afford a UAD 2 Duo right now, and if UAD had it housed with expansion slots eventually when I get more money I could upgrade.
UAD is not the end-all-be-all for plugs but they consistently are bringing some of the best emulations on the planet to mix engineers who are tired of using older gear that breaks down, isn’t recallable and is expensive to replace. I looked back and it’s been 4yrs this april since my first UAD card, I don’t regret it at all, I still max out my cards on projects today. |
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| RichieV |
how many cards do you have ?
In my mac, I have 2 video cards and my my soundcard which leaves 1 pcie. Is there even room to put enough UAD cards to use them without worrying about maxing them out ? |
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| evo8 |
At the end of the day users will vote with their feet, if potential customers feel there is more value with native than UAD then UAD will lose out and will need to change up
Their last survey contained some interesting questions so id say they are always looking ahead and are not blind to the competition surrounding them - competition is always good news for the consumer as it forces everyone to up their game and we end up with better stuff (that we dont actually need be we still want :p ) |
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