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(USA) The House passes the Senate health care bill... 219-212. (pg. 2)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
i read a shocking stat today.. last year 68% of all bankruptcies were related to health care, and of those 78% had insurance!
so yes, this is a big win for the avg American.. |
till america goes bankrupt that is :wtf: |
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| FunkyCrew |
| hehe like someone posted on my FB today - why do we care? we gotta worry about HST kicking in soon! :p |
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| mute79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
till america goes bankrupt that is :wtf: |
they said medicare and social security would bankrupt america too :wtf: |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
they said medicare and social security would bankrupt america too :wtf: |
Yep.
Also, what's WRONG with having both private and public? Who says you have to have only one?
I for one would love to have both...have NO qualms about going to public only now, but if I get annoyed then I'd lovet to have a private option. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
its a bunch of in horse.. mandatory insurance? and its not paid for by the gov't? wtf? |
Almost half of my paycheck goes to taxes.
If I lived in the US, a quarter of my paycheck would go to taxes. It may have gone to close to half with mandatory healthcare. So same result.
But for my type of work, my employers would have a health plan anyways, so no biggie. |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Almost half of my paycheck goes to taxes.
If I lived in the US, a quarter of my paycheck would go to taxes. It may have gone to close to half with mandatory healthcare. So same result.
But for my type of work, my employers would have a health plan anyways, so no biggie. |
right but in Canada, you won't get turned down because of pre-existing conditions and all this b.s. that goes on here. I lived in Canada and it was such a great experience in regards to health care. You don't have to worry that if you go to the doctor, your insurance company can potentially turn down your treatment. |
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
right but in Canada, you won't get turned down because of pre-existing conditions and all this b.s. that goes on here. I lived in Canada and it was such a great experience in regards to health care. You don't have to worry that if you go to the doctor, your insurance company can potentially turn down your treatment. |
part of the new health care bill stems to tackle this issue in regulations that are going to have to be followed by private insurers, no?
you guys need to look to denmark as there are definitely some parallels between their system and some of the stuff that was included in this piece of legislature. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
they said medicare and social security would bankrupt america too :wtf: |
well... with a deficit at 1,5 trillion dollars its definitely not helping matters!
Im not against this per se. (except forcing people to get coverage or else they get fined... wtf is that?)
but this is just the wrong timing for all of this. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
well... with a deficit at 1,5 trillion dollars its definitely not helping matters!
Im not against this per se. (except forcing people to get coverage or else they get fined... wtf is that?)
but this is just the wrong timing for all of this. |
That's an excuse IMO, the "wrong time". Sure they're in debt but if medical costs are rising I'd rather have it done sooner rather than later...then they'll reign in the war costs (hopefully). |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
That's an excuse IMO, the "wrong time". Sure they're in debt but if medical costs are rising I'd rather have it done sooner rather than later...then they'll reign in the war costs (hopefully). |
how is it no excuse?
Think about it on a personal level. You have a household budget that is out of control. So what do you do? Either bring in more income or cut expenses. You dont ADD expenses because sooner or later the bank is going to say "no more" and thats when you lose everything.
I cant wait to see Obama's scores of new taxes that will surely follow sooner or later.
A typical tax and spender |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by slingshot
part of the new health care bill stems to tackle this issue in regulations that are going to have to be followed by private insurers, no?
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yes but they are all small baby steps being taken to get to where we ultimately want to get- universal coverage. I guess I'm just super pissed because, as one of the richest nations, why the can I not get treated like citizens of Germany, Italy, England, Japan etc. where heath care is a right not a privilege. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
yes but they are all small baby steps being taken to get to where we ultimately want to get- universal coverage. I guess I'm just super pissed because, as one of the richest nations, why the can I not get treated like citizens of Germany, Italy, England, Japan etc. where heath care is a right not a privilege. |
youd be even more pissed if u had to pay the taxes that those countries pay. |
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