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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
watch yourself here. How is there a difference? Freedom of speech means freedom to make an ass out of yourself as well as the freedom of others to point out that you are being an ass. If we start making rules against being an ass, who determines that fine line? The government?
great! and thats a wonderful opinion. Now should those who disagree with you campaign to stifle your speech? because what you just said could be construed as negative and insulting. Im just saying.... ;) |
let's just agree to disagree this time :)
but basically what I find is that there is a difference between people getting affended by Christmas trees (as an example), and people getting affended by stuff she says - the carpet comment, the Canada comments, the invading other countries comments
I feel that she takes the freedom of speech a bit too far |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
let's just agree to disagree this time :)
but basically what I find is that there is a difference between people getting affended by Christmas trees (as an example), and people getting affended by stuff she says - the carpet comment, the Canada comments, the invading other countries comments
I feel that she takes the freedom of speech a bit too far |
ok and thats your opinion. and you are free to express it! Imagine if you werent!
Your parents would be old enough to remember when they werent free to express themselves in the Ukraine. You should talk to them about this and see what they think. And im being serious here, not facetious. Id be interested in hearing their take on this topic seeing as they lived under communist dictatorship rule themselves.
Im old enough to remember when people risked their lives to escape from the very ideas that you have expressed today. |
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| Stilez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
jay is right on this one
if you dont like what someone is saying, feel free not to listen to him/her
censorship is the greatest enemy of democracy |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
let's just agree to disagree this time :)
but basically what I find is that there is a difference between people getting affended by Christmas trees (as an example), and people getting affended by stuff she says - the carpet comment, the Canada comments, the invading other countries comments
I feel that she takes the freedom of speech a bit too far |
"I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to death your right to say it"
-Voltaire |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
ok and thats your opinion. and you are free to express it! Imagine if you werent!
Your parents would be old enough to remember when they werent free to express themselves in the Ukraine. You should talk to them about this and see what they think. And im being serious here, not facetious. Id be interested in hearing their take on this topic seeing as they lived under communist dictatorship rule themselves.
Im old enough to remember when people risked their lives to escape from the very ideas that you have expressed today. |
I think my parents won't remember that much, but my grandmas probably would! I remember watching movies and documentaries about the time of the iron curtain so I'm well aware of how scared people were to even discuss ANYTHING in their own kitchen - God forbit your neighbor heard you though the washroom vent and ratted you out! :nervous:
fair enough, let this woman talk! :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
"I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to death your right to say it"
-Voltaire |
okey :) <3 |
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| Jayx1 |
might i add that just last year i had conversations with some cubans in their villages who locked all the windows and turned on the radio just so they could tell me their dreams and aspirations. If they ever got caught telling me what they were saying they would be imprisoned for life. And these were things you and i take for granted like the dream of owning their own business, or voting, or even owning their own property.
just saying anything against the government is and i quote "threatening to the safety, security, and freedoms of cubans"
yes this is exactly what it says in the cuban constitution folks!!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I think my parents won't remember that much, but my grandmas probably would! I remember watching movies and documentaries about the time of the iron curtain so I'm well aware of how scared people were to even discuss ANYTHING in their own kitchen - God forbit your neighbor heard you though the washroom vent and ratted you out! :nervous:
fair enough, let this woman talk! :p
okey :) <3 |
well i think now u understand where im coming from. How old are your parents? Communism in the eastern bloc only ended 20 years ago. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
well i think now u understand where im coming from. How old are your parents? Communism in the eastern bloc only ended 20 years ago. |
I don't think it was as bad 20 years ago (they were both 45 then). From what I remember anyway - I'm think it was worse either just around the time of or before Hruschev's rule. You know, when KGB had more power and all.
oh and it totally just hit me - my grandpa WAS in the KGB. Totally makes sense now :) ha!
when the Chernobyl explosion happened, my parents were one of the first to know NOT to leave our house until it rains a few times.. |
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| Jayx1 |
I just found an interesting tidbit in the cuban constitution. Scary thing is that the people against speakers like coulter use the same arguements. That the speech is not in keeping with the objectives of our society.
| quote: | ARTICLE 53. Citizens have freedom of speech and of the press in keeping with the objectives of socialist society. Material conditions for the exercise of that right are provided by the fact that the press, radio, television, cinema, and other mass media are state or social property and can never be private property. This assures their use at exclusive service of the working people and in the interests of society.
The law regulated the exercise of those freedoms. |
scary |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I don't think it was as bad 20 years ago (they were both 45 then). From what I remember anyway - I'm think it was worse either just around the time of or before Hruschev's rule. You know, when KGB had more power and all.
oh and it totally just hit me - my grandpa WAS in the KGB. Totally makes sense now :) ha!
when the Chernobyl explosion happened, my parents were one of the first to know NOT to leave our house until it rains a few times.. |
if your grandparents are/were communists, their answer would be really interesting to hear. Im always fascinated by the stories from people who were in those situations back then.
And chernobyl, ill never forget that day. My aunt lived in West Germany at the time with the army and im pretty sure the fallout is what caused her cancer years later. :( |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
if your grandparents are/were communists, their answer would be really interesting to hear. Im always fascinated by the stories from people who were in those situations back then. |
Everyone was a communist back then :) there would be no other way around - like I said my grandpa held a position in KGB before he retired, so that was a must. The communist party membership was something every self-respected Soviet had :) I might have even remember seeing my dad's "communist passport" - it was red!
From what I know - people wouldn't talk about anything. It was a big no-no to have expensive or rare items at home, like jewellery or exclusive furniture. Owning foreign currency = BAD! Probably very similar to how the Cubans told you, but not as poor obviously. People lived very simple lives but poverty, surprisingly, was far less prominent. Everyone was expected to be very patriotic. We had things like "oktyabryata" and "pionery" - basically a soviet equivalent of boy and girl scouts. Swore aligance to "grandpa" Lenin, lol :) My mom was a music teacher in a music school, and she had this kid who once told her that he loves her as much as grandpa Lenin. VERY big praise! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
Everyone was a communist back then :) there would be no other way around - like I said my grandpa held a position in KGB before he retired, so that was a must. The communist party membership was something every self-respected Soviet had :) I might have even remember seeing my dad's "communist passport" - it was red!
From what I know - people wouldn't talk about anything. It was a big no-no to have expensive or rare items at home, like jewellery or exclusive furniture. Owning foreign currency = BAD! Probably very similar to how the Cubans told you, but not as poor obviously. People lived very simple lives but poverty, surprisingly, was far less prominent. Everyone was expected to be very patriotic. We had things like "oktyabryata" and "pionery" - basically a soviet equivalent of boy and girl scouts. Swore aligance to "grandpa" Lenin, lol :) My mom was a music teacher in a music school, and she had this kid who once told her that he loves her as much as grandpa Lenin. VERY big praise! |
yeah that sounds exactly like cuba. You dont say anything. If you have something a little bit extravagant you are investigated and usually its confiscated and you are taken away. insert fidel for lenin or maybe even che and you have the same thing.
Its sad how society can end up if we arent careful |
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