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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
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Thanks for your spam. In response to spam...
A theoretical convo between someone who still has his/her soul in tact, and a person who has willingly and consciously sold his or hers for cheap.
"So what are you doing for society? What is your purpose? How do you survive?"
"Deceiving People Daily"
"So you're a shill?"
"No I just sit on a forum and talk about music and other things...for years"
"So...you're a slave?"
"No I just like to waste time on a forum and get virtually nothing out of it"
"But you seem to be getting something out of it?"
"Well thats part of the deceit..."
"Ahh I see...well here is an ice creme cone"
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| adi_hanson |
mmm , back on topic,
Suprised this hasnt been the version you hear in every in bar in every in city you go to on a friday and saturday.
Along with Sidney Samon - Riverside
do be do be do be do do do be do be SHUT THE UP YOU POINTLESS SONG! |
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| Richard Butler |
EDM - what it is - well on the main music TV channels here in the UK such as Virgin music (channel 18 freeview) almost every track is mainly electronic and has a core electronic drum groove be it Beyonce or Madonna. So aminstream music is very largely made using drum beats and electronic gear.
Ok so why does the average Jo tend not listen to 4/4 so much during the day? Well they all tell me it's because it's too pounding and intrusive during the day (as opposed to in a bar / club / gym- when it's just right).
Tis the same with a red hot chilli curry - it's great sometimes, but not every day and rarely for breakfast.
Even a lot of producers say they don't listen to pounding club music when they are just chilling / working / driving.
Indeed a Finnish producer said this on another forum this week.
Bacially 4/4 club music is contextual - it goes down great in the right setting with the right mood - for example most people seem to enjoy it when in an excercise class.
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Bacially 4/4 club music is contextual
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Which genre is not?
classical? hip hop? pop? rock? Which ones arent contextual to the right setting, time, or environment? Actually I could listen to 4/4 in virtually any setting, who says you have to listen loud? There is plenty of 4/4 music to relax or chill to. And then of course electronic music stretches beyond 4/4. All you're saying is there is a market for the non banging stuff, and more chill stuff.
I'm looking for a good debunking of what is being said here...or good reasoning with what is being said here.
So far its been 0/3 (though very helpful!) I need you guys to get your most intelligent guy out here and talk the topic...
Because the whole lie about people arent into dance music, or they dont like 4/4 music, or a gender doesnt like electronic music...I mean we've heard all sorts of lies and bull about EDM ever since the digital distribution era began. So that s who manage these distribution and retailers digitally can rob artists and labels of their actual sales. Or even give their favorite people the sales, and take away sales from those that dont fit their interests. The music is selling in big numbers, the problem is the sales arent being reported fully, and the market potential is not being tapped due to poor accessibility and poor platforms for commerce.
Besides that "most people dont like 4/4", we've also been told the lie that some were pushing in the other thread "teh market is teh saturationzzzez". Simple logic, consumer psychology, and economics proves that bull wrong as well. There is absolutely no reason for music to take away sales from good music, especially that are on well run labels, or even a smaller label that has put out a truly great track. For reasons i've already mentioned in a thread started by a veteran deceiver.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...3&forumid=48&s= |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
What you really need for big success are vocals, especially ones with a catchy chorus. Vocal dance tracks with catchy choruses can succeed on the level of Lady Gaga, and in fact have been in the Billboard Hot 100 sales charts for a long time. I don't even like that song and have only heard it a few times, and I still get that chorus stuck in my head. It certainly works on that level.
Those of you making non-vocal stuff are pretty much out of luck, though. :p |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What you really need for big success are vocals, especially ones with a catchy chorus. Vocal dance tracks with simple, catchy choruses can succeed on the level of Lady Gaga, and in fact have been in the Billboard Hot 100 sales charts for a long time. I don't even like that song and have only heard it a few times, and I still get that chorus stuck in my head. It certainly works on that level.
Those of you making non-vocal stuff are pretty much out of luck, though. :p
EDM can be really popular, but it has to have the following: prominent vocals, short length, verse-chorus form. If you don't want to make that, then you will be in "niche" markets. |
To this i'd say, there are plenty of vocals tracks that I would not listen to a second time, or even the first time once I realise its boring or does not make me feel something interesting. So vocals arent exactly essential, or the main reason for the success of a piece of music. Its just a potential part of the success. A memorable melody could be more powerful than a vocal...
Good music needs to create a feeling or images, and EDM music specializes in feeeling and images. This is why "enlightened" people listen to it more than other genres. Vocals are just part of that feeling and imagery, so EDM music can make people interested without vocals. But you're right, of course a vocal track has a better chance to be big, because you've opened the door for more thoughts and feelings, and the associations people can have with the music through the words and language. That said, there is plenty of EDM music with vocals, especially these days, there is some form of vocals in there. So the vocals argument should not limit the genre. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
So vocals arent exactly essential, or the main reason for the success of a piece of music. Its just a potential part of the success. A memorable melody could be more powerful than a vocal... |
The main reason is probably the catchy melody, it's just that vocals are almost always the most effective way to deliver it. When has a non-vocal dance track ever succeeded like Lady Gaga?
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Heck, what was the last non-vocal track of any kind that succeeded in the pop charts? The only one I can recall is "Popcorn" and that was back in 1972. Oh, and "Axel F."
[Edit: And I am not saying vocals mean automatic success, I am just saying they are pretty much a requirement, and exceptions to that are really rare.] |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The main reason is probably the catchy melody, it's just that vocals are almost always the most effective way to deliver it. When has a non-vocal dance track ever succeeded like Lady Gaga?
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Heck, what was the last non-vocal track of any kind that succeeded in the pop charts? The only one I can recall is "Popcorn" and that was back in 1972. |
I see what you did thurrr. ; )
Why would Pop genre music not have vocals? So...how can a track on pop chart be successful without vocals? What are the chances? They dont even make it out of the studio. No one makes Pop music without vocals, why would they? And Pop doesnt exactly mean Popular, its a more of a genre definer for a type of music, because other genres can be popular without being Pop.
Of course an instrumental only track is not going to be as popular as a vocal track in Pop , I mentioned that already. But in the EDM genre, a good melody track can be as popular or more popular than any vocal track. Just look at tracks like Sasha - Xpander or Tiesto - 643. Or Push - Universal Nation. What vocal EDM tracks are far more popular than these? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
But in the EDM genre, a good melody track can be as popular or more popular than any vocal track. Just look at tracks like Sasha - Xpander or Tiesto - 643. Or Push - Universal Nation. What vocal EDM tracks are far more popular than these? |
Sure, dance tracks can be pretty darn popular without vocals. But not popular on the level of Lady Gaga, which is my point. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Sure, dance tracks can be pretty darn popular without vocals. But not popular on the level of Lady Gaga, which is my point. |
Right, but who is saying EDM producers cant stick vocals in their tracks? ;) |
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| owien |
it may of had 160 milloin hits on youtube but i can't see how this makes any great impact on edm other then bringing it to the mainstream.
witch happens every day via radio,tv ect dance music was geard for the clubs and will allways have this limbo of people buying what they think is edm music good or otherwise. |
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| Richard Butler |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kismet7
Which genre is not?
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Some genres are less context specific. Pop for example will tend to be the most listened to say in a builders yard or working warehouse.
Just as horror films tend to be watched at night rather than by all the family on a Saturday afternoon. Note the emphasis is on 'tend'.
Why are you so angry out of interest?
Your future children will never need an angry adult in thier lives - conquer it now maybe
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