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| jupiterone |
ing awesome
i just got my mbox and pro tools copy along with an awesome external drive + a load of third party plugs including celemony from my school orientation and it is sweet. cannot wait to learn the in and outs of it, have a tower full of books for pro tools that they gave us as well along with huber's modern recording techniques. this is going to be a fun weekend
any one else use pro tools here? |
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| user19503 |
| its discontinued, dont u know? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
ing awesome
i just got my mbox and pro tools copy along with an awesome external drive + a load of third party plugs including celemony from my school orientation and it is sweet. cannot wait to learn the in and outs of it, have a tower full of books for pro tools that they gave us as well along with huber's modern recording techniques. this is going to be a fun weekend
any one else use pro tools here? |
Yes, I've used pro tools HD extensivly - I was taught while working at that place you got to hang out at through family connections ;)
If you're in LA now, hit me up.... |
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| jupiterone |
| msg me with some contact info rann :) |
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| alanzo |
| I don't understand why when you buy a plugin, the TDM version is twice as expensive as the VST version. Is that to pay the makers of ProTools their royalty fees? Bull software that is only used by people who feel better about themselves just because they're using it or don't want to look into other options since they've been using ProTools since the mid 90s. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I don't understand why when you buy a plugin, the TDM version is twice as expensive as the VST version. Is that to pay the makers of ProTools their royalty fees? Bull software that is only used by people who feel better about themselves just because they're using it or don't want to look into other options since they've been using ProTools since the mid 90s. |
Yep.
PT can't do anything that other DAWs can't and actually lacks a lot of features I use all the time. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Yep.
PT can't do anything that other DAWs can't and actually lacks a lot of features I use all the time. |
That's not quite true - protools LE can't do anyhting that another DAW can't already do.
PTHD does TONS of things that others can't (and never will) do such as aligning of audiofiles based on metadata timestamps, multiple frame rates between projects at the same time, multiple frame rates on different tracks, elastic audio functions, VCA groups......
Protools LE is nothing more than a basic audio tracking and mixing platform designed to hook you on to the real deal at some later point. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
That's not quite true - protools LE can't do anyhting that another DAW can't already do.
PTHD does TONS of things that others can't (and never will) do such as aligning of audiofiles based on metadata timestamps, multiple frame rates between projects at the same time, multiple frame rates on different tracks, elastic audio functions, VCA groups......
Protools LE is nothing more than a basic audio tracking and mixing platform designed to hook you on to the real deal at some later point. |
Yeah theres some truth to that I guess. But those systems are also $5,000 + and aren't very compatible with most of the gear we EDM producers use day to day, such as a lot of the free VSTs.
Out of curiousity, how does the alignment thing work? Do all audio files have that metadata, or only ones recorded into a PTHD interface? Like, if I recorded 10 tracks with ableton, could PT put them back together using their metadata?
Elastic audio isn't really an issue, considering that pretty much all DAWs have similar stuff now. And most can do multiple sample rates within a project too... VCA groups are pretty much workable in most DAWs too... so I don't really know where your coming from with all of that, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
I'm always curious to hear what I'm missing though, so please do tell me more:) I know ableton is lacking a link switch you can use to make a VCA group, but you can rig a similar thing with midi control or a group channel. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
ing awesome
i just got my mbox and pro tools copy along with an awesome external drive + a load of third party plugs including celemony from my school orientation and it is sweet. cannot wait to learn the in and outs of it, have a tower full of books for pro tools that they gave us as well along with huber's modern recording techniques. this is going to be a fun weekend
any one else use pro tools here? |
Protools was my 1st daw.
lol i said it like a girl telling every one that guy was my 1st! |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by atxbigballer1
Protools was my 1st daw.
lol i said it like a girl telling every one that guy was my 1st! |
what do you use now, and why did you switch? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Yeah theres some truth to that I guess. But those systems are also $5,000 + and aren't very compatible with most of the gear we EDM producers use day to day, such as a lot of the free VSTs.
Out of curiousity, how does the alignment thing work? Do all audio files have that metadata, or only ones recorded into a PTHD interface? Like, if I recorded 10 tracks with ableton, could PT put them back together using their metadata?
Elastic audio isn't really an issue, considering that pretty much all DAWs have similar stuff now. And most can do multiple sample rates within a project too... VCA groups are pretty much workable in most DAWs too... so I don't really know where your coming from with all of that, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
I'm always curious to hear what I'm missing though, so please do tell me more:) I know ableton is lacking a link switch you can use to make a VCA group, but you can rig a similar thing with midi control or a group channel. |
Well, tbh you can pick up a digi96 interface for less that $1500 second hand or a 192 for around $2k. That's really not that much different from an RME, Lynx or any of those new. The cost of second hand PTHD stuff isn't really a deterrant for a project studio
or even semi serious producer anymore.
I can't talk for ableton as I'm not a regular user, but I know logic and cubase doesn't add timestamp metadata to audiofiles so I'll assume it's just a protools thing. It' actually ing incredible, and crucial for film score work as you'll track in one session, maybe have compostion (midi , external synths in noahter etc.) and mix in the master session so being able to snap the audiofiles to exact correct position at the click of a button is a serious advantage and saves a lot of time not to mention second guessing.
All the audiofiles recorded or printed (or even offline bounced) have the timestamp position included. You can then import to the playback head or to the timestamp position, or a position in relation to the timestamp.
As for elastic audio, most daws have somthing along the lines of them but I know for a fact PTHD elastic time is way more powerful in terms of options than logic (and logic's is fairly advanced). It basiclly can do meldoyne style pitching within the daw as well as intelligent warping for things like clikcless drums and figure out the correct spacing and even then give you options to to add more or less accuarcy so as to keep the human feel. I honestly don't think any other daw has warping and pitching capabilities like PTHD does. It also doesn't sound when you really push it or even use it in real time varispeed (variable pitch and time perametrs simultaneously) like I've experienced (albeit limited) with ableton.
VCA's are just very well implemented in PTHD - but you're totally right most daws have some solution for VCA's but the routing in PTHD lets you group them any way you need and for any I/O configuration without having to use a external routing matrix (like cuemix for instance).
Also, I do not think that there is another DAW that can do individual plugins on areas of audio files or regions.
If I think of more I'll post them up.....:) |
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