Originally posted by Kismet7
For example your posting and wasting time on a forum is an addiction, primarily if you are getting nothing out of it but potentially empty relationships with people you hardly see. So you and anyone can freely apply my theory on addiction to your forum use, and perhaps find a cure through it. Since i'm furthur down the enlightenment path, at the end of the day, you could say i'm a helpful person, with an unconventional rhetoric and way of helping. :)
You are correct, posting on internet message boards is one of my present addictions, and one that I am quite painfully aware of. Some day, it will fall by the wayside (as have my smoking, drinking and television watching habits) as my need for outside acceptance diminishes. I'm very much looking forward to that day.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
You are correct, posting on internet message boards is one of my present addictions, and one that I am quite painfully aware of. Some day, it will fall by the wayside (as have my smoking, drinking and television watching habits) as my need for outside acceptance diminishes. I'm very much looking forward to that day.
Right, but in no way directly comparable or life derailing as a drug or other substance addiction. People hardly talk about tv, internet, forum, texting, etc addictions in the same way. Most people call these addictions as "wasting time."
So I dont see how these simple time spending 'addictions' were put on the same level of a chronic drug addiction. It depends on how much those 'addictions' affect a persons life.
And from what I said, i'm sure there is more to using this forum than just wasting time and 'empty relationships', though one could argue the relationship arent the healthiest compared to those afforded in good real life relationships. That said, I think discussions on topics like this are quite beneficial and valuable use of time, and are as efficient as any real life forum where ideas are shared.
PivotTechno
Hah, just found this gem (could have saved myself several hours of responding to you lot) on his site:
1. Denial: This is all completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with me.
2. Projection: Daniel Mackler is crazy, and I do not want to indulge in his sick point of view.
3. Sublimation: Why would I want to waste my time reading this junk; in fact, I just feel like going out, getting drunk, and having sex!
4. Regression: This website makes me SO, SO sad. I think I’ll just curl up under the blanket and cry…but first let me delete www.iraresoul.com from my browser history.
5. Humor: Oh my god, we’ve got a live one here…a “rare soul!” This guy reeks of a messiah complex if I ever saw one! LOL! Let me email a few of the titles of his essays (but not the content) to my friends so we can laugh about this kook together. And he’s a psychotherapist to boot!!! What a world we live in!
6. Displacement: I was NOT abused as a child in any way, shape, or form, and I HATE the writer of this website for trying to ram his point of view down my throat!
7. Intellectualization: This website describes an intrinsically interesting paradigm which strives to completely negate all the people (myself included) who had qualitatively wonderful childhoods.
8. Psychosis: This website is clearly too dangerous to read, because I’m sure the government is tracking it and will track me down for reading it.
9. Dissociation: Every time I read more than one short essay on this site I find myself getting really uncomfortable, then fading away, even falling asleep. Something must be wrong with this website – and I don’t think I’ll return to it. (Note to self: Tell psychiatrist to raise my anti-depressant dosage.)
10. Reaction Formation/Altruistic Superiority: I feel so bad for this Daniel Mackler fellow – the pain he must feel to have to write this stuff… In fact, I think I’ll email him a referral to a therapist who can help him work through his issues. Poor guy, he’s clearly got a lot.
11. Idealization-Devaluation/Splitting: This creep has the nerve to criticize my hero Alice Miller. Mackler, you don’t even get the first thing she’s talking about. In fact, you’re not fit to clean her shoes. Burn in hell, Mackler, you pompous moron.
12. Hypochondriasis/Somatization: Oh god, these essays give me SUCH a pounding headache. I need some ibuprofen.
13. Identification with the aggressor: God, can you imagine how Daniel Mackler’s parents must feel knowing their son is publicly writing this crap? God, I wish I could hear their side of the story…
14. Religiosity: Anyone who would consider writing an essay called “Jesus Rejected His Mother” has clearly not accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. And in his retelling of the “Sermon on the Mount” he has the audacity to use the King James Version of the Bible as his base of operation. Blasphemy! Remind me to include this lost soul in my prayers tonight. Hallelujah!
15. Passive aggression: [The following is a fictional synthesis of many very real emails I’ve gotten over the years:] “Dear Mr. Mackler, thank you very much for sharing your point of view. You’ve clearly put a lot of energy into it and that is admirable. You are also an extremely good writer. However, I must point out that because you are a therapist you only hear the stories of a certain segment of the population and have mistakenly universalized their problems to everyone. Not everyone was traumatized. Not everyone had an awful childhood. Not every parent is damaging. (I am a parent – not a perfect one – but I love my children very much.) I think it is important that you know that your erroneous assumptions can be very harmful to people, perhaps your clients especially, and I hope, for your sake and theirs, that you reconsider what you write. Yours sincerely, ...
Immediately reminded me of:
PivotTechno
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Originally posted by Kismet7
Right, but in no way directly comparable or life derailing as a drug or other substance addiction. People hardly talk about tv, internet, forum, texting, etc addictions in the same way. Most people call these addictions as "wasting time."
Yeah, and the military calls accidentally killing one of their own "friendly fire", but it's still murder.
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Originally posted by Kismet7
So I dont see how these simple time spending 'addictions' were put on the same level of a chronic drug addiction.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. Conventional pathology = unconventional pathology = pathology, whether you like it or not.
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Originally posted by Kismet7
And from what I said, i'm sure there is more to using this forum than just wasting time and 'empty relationships'
Care to substantiate that for me? ;)
Kismet7
hmmm...ok. nm
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
that's funny, because i didn't see an entry for
whackler is a cunning profiteer who knows there is a huge market for new-agey, non-conformist rhetoric with people who don't know any better.
now, that's not to mock meditation generally (those damn monks seem to do alright) or any kind of psychoanalytical field. of course those things can be valuable. much more valuable than the un-parsed regurgitation of ideas that one doesn't even have the intellectual integrity to defend properly.
there have been an number of issues raised in this thread, and you are yet to address a single one of them. go meditate on that for a while.
Arbiter
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
Hah, just found this gem (could have saved myself several hours of responding to you lot) on his site:
You were wise to concede when you did. ;)
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Yeah, and the military calls accidentally killing one of their own "friendly fire", but it's still murder.
Although I fully acknowledge that it's aside from your point, I must point out that this is wrong as a legal matter. An accidental killing fails the mens rea requirement for murder.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Although I fully acknowledge that it's aside from your point, I must point out that this is wrong as a legal matter. An accidental killing fails the mens rea requirement for murder.
the people are represented by two separate but equally important groups. the police who investigate crime, and BATMAN who prosecute the offenders. these are their stories...
Theresa
Lie #9: You Cannot Blame Parents, Because “They Did The Best They Could.”
My observation is that all parents, even the worst parents, “did the best they could.” Yet this doesn’t let any parent off the hook. A child has the right to blame his parents for their inadequacies—because their inadequacies damaged him. Laying blame at the feet of perpetrators is a huge step in breaking the intergenerational cycle of trauma—and sets the stage for healing.
Lie #10: Psychiatric Medications Help Many People.
Passively taking a pill, even if that pill helps you function better, sends your spirit the message that life’s answer do not come from within. This is an evil message, because it is untrue. People need to change their lives deeply, both inside and out, in order to heal. Real change is difficult—often hellishly so—but it is the only way.
Lie #11: Addictions and “Mental Illnesses” Are Diseases.
Addictions and so-called “mental illnesses” are symptoms of a deeper problem: unresolved trauma. Labeling symptoms as disease is easy and convenient for people who are terrified to look below the surface. Delving below the surface entails taking deeper personal responsibility, grieving, and feeling rage at traumatizers—often your own parents. How much easier to believe in “inherent” disease and let your parents off the hook?
After reading this, I decided this guy is a ing moron and wont be reading any more of his bull trite.
wing
^ You rock :p
Theresa
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Originally posted by wing
^ You rock :p
Seriously, who can read that garbage and not be inclined to want to clock that guy in the nose simply for his ridiculous stupidity?
idoru
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Originally posted by Theresa
Lie #10: Psychiatric Medications Help Many People.
Passively taking a pill, even if that pill helps you function better, sends your spirit the message that life’s answer do not come from within. This is an evil message, because it is untrue. People need to change their lives deeply, both inside and out, in order to heal. Real change is difficult—often hellishly so—but it is the only way.
