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Daniel Mackler - Essays For The Enlightenment Seeker (pg. 6)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | | The definition of child abuse is simple: whenever the spirit of the child is disrespected the child is abused. |
I'm glad he sorted that one out before embarking on his argument. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Sooo, he's made this up after 10 years of administering psychotherapy to hundreds of people. What are your credentials?
And again, if you actually took the time to read what he says, he doesn't advocate blaming people for their own lives then simply walking away with a smug grin, he states that NOT blaming the source of your trauma for your present condition is a form of very damaging denial, and that the anger that accompanies the resentment toward to perpetrator needs to be brought to surface, allowed to transmute to grief (which is all anger is in its most base form, and for some stupid reason a relatively taboo expression of emotion in modern society) in order for real healing to take place.
You seem like a pretty angry individual yourself. 'Nuff caps and arbitrary swearing leads me to believe so. Are you happy the way you are? No resentment toward the folks and how they treated you as a child whatsoever? No addictive behaviour that you wish you could control or eliminate altogether? If so, I commend you, you've obviously worked through your baggage quite thoroughly. If not, then you're exactly the kind of person Mackler's referring to and you're going to carry on seeing what you want to see, and nothing I, or anyone else says is going to convince you otherwise.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go put some mothering BASIL CLONES in water. Peace. |
Well, I am a psychology major, but I am by no means at a point in which I could authoritatively argue against his "research". However, I am much more likely to believe in thousands of doctors and scientists who know that anti-psychotics work on their patients than some guy who effectively discredits himself by making the statements that he does.
I personally don't think blaming someone for the ty things that have happened is a way to self heal. You need to acknowledge that you have control over your own life and move on and work toward making your life the best it can be. However, I would agree that in terms of abuse etc. people need to also acknowledge that they didn't deserve it and that they are the victim, not the perpetrator.
Contrary to your belief, I am not an angry individual. I do however, get highly aggravated at people who make statements like "medications don't help people with mental illnesses" when it could potentially send the wrong message to someone who may really need help. I feel that I can say with authority that medications have seriously helped people who have suffered from mental illness, and I know this from personally knowing people who have benefited from them.
No, I have no addictive behaviour, no unresolved issues, and no, I do not hold resentment toward my parents. I have accepted what has happened in my past, moved on and have decided to take control over my own destiny and work toward a better life. Holding on to grudges and pointing fingers will not do anything positive, nor will blaming my parents for my personal downfalls. I need to take ownership of my own life and my decisions and behaviours. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Lie #10: Psychiatric Medications Help Many People.
Passively taking a pill, even if that pill helps you function better, sends your spirit the message that life’s answer do not come from within. This is an evil message, because it is untrue. People need to change their lives deeply, both inside and out, in order to heal. Real change is difficult—often hellishly so—but it is the only way. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I do however, get highly aggravated at people who make statements like "medications don't help people with mental illnesses" when it could potentially send the wrong message to someone who may really need help. I feel that I can say with authority that medications have seriously helped people who have suffered from mental illness, and I know this from personally knowing people who have benefited from them. |
Maybe I'm just tired, but that really confuses me. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Maybe I'm just tired, but that really confuses me. |
What confuses you?
He says "LIE: Psychiatric Medications Help Many People."
Which could arguably be read as "it is not the case that psychiatric medications help many people" AKA people who are on drugs for mental illnesses aren't being helped. |
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| Silky Johnson |
That isn't entirely wrong though...he just makes a very biased point without attended to WHY medication "doesn't help". I can sort of agree in the sense that medication ALONE doesn't help people. One cannot expect to heal psychiatric/mental illnesses without being aware of all the other socio-cultural-political-environmental factors that contribute to it. Otherwise, imo, you're just wasting your time if you expect a pill is going to solve all your problems.
I think, essentially, his message is quite true - that people need to attend to the root causes of their problems, which all kinds of research DOES link to childhood trauma. And that can be anything, if you're considering it from a social determinants of health perspective.
Seriously, I put it to the naysayers to read Dr. Mate's book. It's an eye-opener. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
YOU control your own life, YOU decide how you want to feel and what you want to do with YOUR life. It is not the fault of anyone else for how ty your life is when you become an adult and take control. |
Except not everybody has the same access to choice and control. You really think a homeless guy can just get up and walk into the job bank and get work? What address is he supposed to fill out on the forms? How would he even know that these places exist? What if he's schizophrenic? You think people are going to treat him the same as everyone else? Why do you think he would turn to drugs an alcohol? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Why can't this bum just invoke the spiiiiirit of childhood healing to salve his woes? It's possible - YOU CAN DO IT, TOO. buymybook |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
One cannot expect to heal psychiatric/mental illnesses without being aware of all the other socio-cultural-political-environmental factors that contribute to it. |
dont use your fancy words on us! you know its nothing more than trauma to the spirit of the child. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Philip, you have a very negative aura about you. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Philip, you have a very negative aura about you. |
:stongue: :stongue:
i have friends who swear by how awesome tony is, been to his seminars etc. one's now a stripper and the other works for avon. great work tony! |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
dont use your fancy words on us! you know its nothing more than trauma to the spirit of the child. |
Lol. Like I said, don't read Mackler, read Mate. :p |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Lol. Like I said, don't read Mackler, read Mate. :p |
well, if someone was to felate mate in a thread i would definitely give it my due attention. and i certainly agree that there would be many examples where a person's addiction(s) could be attributed to a multitude of external factors. of course, given that we're only children for a fraction of our average lifespan, i would posit that these external factors could be an influence at just about any age, and certainly did not have to reside in our childhood.
i know for a fact that my nicotine issues aren't linked to dad yelling at me at 5am on christmas day in 1985 coz i was being a loud cunt :) like arbiter's ignored posts said, the idea that the "anti-panacea" could be traced to a unitary childhood moment is simply ridiculous. |
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