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Sex education in schools (pg. 5)
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't agree with either of these statements. I don't believe a majority of kids are that stupid
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Well, I don't agree with that.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
and I don't see any evidence or reason to suggest kids are getting stupider
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You don't believe that, compared to, say, 70 years ago, the world population, due in part to the absence of this plethora of mindless entertainment that we have today, had the edge over today's world as far as intelligence goes?
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And even then, if they are that stupid then something is going to distract them, whether it's sex, drinking or Modern Warfare 2.
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Yeah. But it's still a problem, no?
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Some parents are too embarassed, some have stubborn ideas, some are ignorant and some are stupid. |
So that means we should automatically replace the parent with formal education? I say yes in that case, that's probably the best thing to do; and you'll probably say yes, too. What I don't like, however, is the fact that the "parent" role is gets replaced by school programs more and more. It's beneficial, I'll agree. But it sort of undermines the idea of parenting, doesn't it? |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you're kidding right? :stongue: |
Nope. I think the lack of the "sex" talk between the parent/child stems from the fact that the parent finds it shameful, or something to that effect.
Why should people be ashamed of what's natural?
And even if the parent is stupid, wouldn't a general "Sex isn't bad, but it should wait" be part of the common parenting duty? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
You don't believe that, compared to, say, 70 years ago, the world population, due in part to the absence of this plethora of mindless entertainment that we have today, had the edge over today's world as far as intelligence goes? |
Intelligence would be the same. Knowledge however, is greatly improved now than it was 70 years ago. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
Nope. I think the lack of the "sex" talk between the parent/child stems from the fact that the parent finds it shameful, or something to that effect.
Why should people be ashamed of what's natural?
And even if the parent is stupid, wouldn't a general "Sex isn't bad, but it should wait" be part of the common parenting duty? |
well when you decide to come and play in reality with the rest of us, be sure to let us know. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Intelligence would be the same. Knowledge however, is greatly improved now than it was 70 years ago. |
The capacity of intelligence remains the same. But exercising that capacity lowers. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well when you decide to come and play in reality with the rest of us, be sure to let us know. |
What part of reality am I oblivious to? |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
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I don't even know how to respond to most of what you're saying. I thought it was inherently obvious that education leads to knowledge, and that knowledge leads to the ability to make smart decisions. As for completely dismissing scientific studies... umm? Ok.
*sigh* |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
The capacity of intelligence remains the same. But exercising that capacity lowers. |
You have absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that people are less able to use their intelligence than they were at any time previously. Indeed, the improvement in social stratification and mobility in modern society is enough to posit that people now have more avenues for using their intelligence in areas they previously wouldn’t have had the opportunity in.
Sure, you can point to lazy kids spending all day ing around with their playstation, but I think it’s a rather silly to try and generalise that anecdotal stereotype across people of all ages, or even people of the specific age you’re talking about.
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
What part of reality am I oblivious to? |
the part of reality that shows many parents are incapable of providing suitable and effective sex education for their children. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
You don't believe that, compared to, say, 70 years ago, the world population, due in part to the absence of this plethora of mindless entertainment that we have today, had the edge over today's world as far as intelligence goes? |
No, I think that's absolute bull.
| quote: | | Yeah. But it's still a problem, no? |
Yes, but it's not in any way going to be solved by opposing sex education. Teenagers will each other whether they know it's safe or not, that's reality. They'll still be distracted by drink, drugs, videogames and television.
| quote: | | So that means we should automatically replace the parent with formal education? I say yes in that case, that's probably the best thing to do; and you'll probably say yes, too. What I don't like, however, is the fact that the "parent" role is gets replaced by school programs more and more. It's beneficial, I'll agree. But it sort of undermines the idea of parenting, doesn't it? |
It doesn't "replace" the parent because the parent is not removed from the kid's life. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I don't even know how to respond to most of what you're saying. I thought it was inherently obvious that education leads to knowledge, and that knowledge leads to the ability to make smart decisions. As for completely dismissing scientific studies... umm? Ok.
*sigh* |
It does. I agree with you 100%. I'm all for school, and I very much enjoy getting an education. But I think, as a human, that I'm sensible enough to educate myself in most areas where our human nature is concerned and not wholly rely on an institution to obtain my education as a whole. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
It does. I agree with you 100%. I'm all for school, and I very much enjoy getting an education. But I think, as a human, that I'm sensible enough to educate myself in most areas where our human nature is concerned and not wholly rely on an institution to obtain my education as a whole. |
Well good for you, but the average kid who is beginning to learn about the sexual anatomy, as early as 6 or 7 mind you, doesn't have the capacities to do research on the subject, and be able to accurately discern what is and is not truth. Further, it is difficult to learn about something you don't know what you don't know about, like STDs etc.
I didn't even know that I had a uterus at 8 years old, but I knew of sex. Don't know how I would have been capable of finding out that I had one had it not been for someone telling me.
You can only educate yourself on the things you know about. You can't search out information on something you don't even know exists, and it is less likely to happen at the age when these kids need it most, in their youth. Not to mention that most kids can't be assed to bother and would inevitably just accept all of the stories they hear from their peers as truth instead.
This is why formal education exists to begin with. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
You have absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that people are less able to use their intelligence than they were at any time previously. Indeed, the improvement in social stratification and mobility in modern society is enough to posit that people now have more avenues for using their intelligence in areas they previously wouldn’t have had the opportunity in.
Sure, you can point to lazy kids spending all day ing around with their playstation, but I think it’s a rather silly to try and generalise that anecdotal stereotype across people of all ages, or even people of the specific age you’re talking about.
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First off, I didn't say people are "unable" to use their brains. I'm saying that they're less willing to use their brains effectively.
I must be living in a rock, then, to gather that we, as a whole, are wasting our intelligence more so than we had in earlier times.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the part of reality that shows many parents are incapable of providing suitable and effective sex education for their children. |
I never said parents are likely to provide their children sex education. In fact, I agreed with that argument. |
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