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Anyone do a bit of filmscore style work?....ehem......Owen! (pg. 2)
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm a score engineer and work for a number of composers as a living so know a bit about this subject.
It's so much more complex than people think. It actually pisses me off a little when the likes of Tiesto/oakenfold say they're going in to scoring. I've seen so many major recording artists (pop, rock, hiphop, EDM) partner with the composers I work for for score projects and it's crazy to see how unbeleiveably out of their depth they are, even the truly talented artsists.
Scoring is, IMO, the ultimate intellectualization of music - where so many other forms rely on the art or natural flow as their base, score relies on intense knowledge, direction and thought. |
Hook me up with some score juice then brother.
I have a multi yeared background in classical piano and studied score at school so i'm aware of the 5 year learing stretch ahead of me to get to grips with the basics, just like the two years i've just put in to learn the basics of EDM.
I'm genuinely into this. All pointers are welcome. |
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| mize |
I do not think scoring is the ultimate intellectualization of music,
Here is what i think is the ultimate intellectualization of music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3njyDW8SY
making real classical music in a DAW damn that is something,
the scare thing is that the soundlibrary thats used in the video coast € 9,980
But hey i cant tell the difference from a real recording, |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by mize
I do not think scoring is the ultimate intellectualization of music,
Here is what i think is the ultimate intellectualization of music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3njyDW8SY
making real classical music in a DAW damn that is something,
the scare thing is that the soundlibrary thats used in the video coast € 9,980
But hey i cant tell the difference from a real recording, |
seen this vid before and yes very hard to do in midi.
but at the end of the day you enjoy making your creations come to life however it's done is the key ;) |
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| Ravist |
| quote: | Originally posted by Morvan
I've written the soundtrack for a few projects (movies, games etc.)
here's some of my portfolio stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9EVcmrbXfg
If you have any questions, ask away. |
amazing work morvan! You should be really proud of this one, it sounds very professional and the arrangement sounds complex, how long did it take you to complete this one? |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by mize
I do not think scoring is the ultimate intellectualization of music,
Here is what i think is the ultimate intellectualization of music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3njyDW8SY
making real classical music in a DAW damn that is something,
the scare thing is that the soundlibrary thats used in the video coast € 9,980
But hey i cant tell the difference from a real recording, |
That is truly convincing.
Aspirational too. |
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| 19503 |
| One word: Jesper Kyd - Hitman scores (the games) |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by 19503
One word: Jesper Kyd - Hitman scores (the games) |
that's two words....sshhhhh :D
You're right though. He also did the soundtrack to the game Freedom fighters with was extraordinarily awesome.
I think this track in particular is superb! :D
Freedom Fighters |
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| tehlord |
Updated with extra orchestration. just messing about still really! :D
I might add there's nothing in the way of articulation at the moment so it still sounds a bit sampley.
http://soundcloud.com/bluffmunkey/forest-moon |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by mize
I do not think scoring is the ultimate intellectualization of music,
Here is what i think is the ultimate intellectualization of music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3njyDW8SY
making real classical music in a DAW damn that is something,
the scare thing is that the soundlibrary thats used in the video coast € 9,980
But hey i cant tell the difference from a real recording, |
Really? you honestly think that the reproduction of someone else's work in a daw is the ultimate intellectualization of music?
While it's very damn good for what it is, the only original thing about it is the fact it's been produced in another medium, and even then, I could tell they were samples in the 30 seconds (you can always tell from the sustains/decay transients because you just can't humanize and automate to a level of real playing by a an orchestra).
OK, so maybe others can't tell, but I do it for a living so maybe I'm jaded or look at it from a different perspective.
I still think that composing original orchestra, while incorporating an endless array of other music such as electronic, world, folk, rock, hiphop and even vocals, all to a completely different medium, while expressing the visual elements in a cohesive and complimentary way, truly is the intellectualization of music, at least to me.
btw, Do you realize that nearly every score composer orchestrates (or has their orchestrator do it) within a DAW, and most the people I work for use logic or cubase?
So again, no I don't think replicating someone else's work in a daw (however technically brilliant) is really that amazing? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Updated with extra orchestration. just messing about still really! :D
I might add there's nothing in the way of articulation at the moment so it still sounds a bit sampley.
http://soundcloud.com/bluffmunkey/forest-moon |
I actually like this as a temp track - not feeling the crash at the crescendo (sounds out of place and too tinny).
Reminds me of some of the cues from Manhunter (Rubio etc.).
The difficult think people don't get is you don't just write a peice of music. The producer and/or director and/or music supervisor will already have an feeling of what they want before they even hire a composer then their vision has to be translated, with direction by the composer.
there's also the music editor who can actually have a huge impact on the overall feel and layout of the score, and in many cases the sound designers involved also contribute musically to the content of the overall package. Then there's the session musicians and orchestra sessions themselves that can change the score results, and finally the mixing score engineer, who will add their own balance, in some cases I've witnessed acting like a producer and even adding/taking away elements, again changing the final result.
One of the most underestimated things is working to tempo - on all of the films I have worked, I can probably only think of a handfull of cues that don't have some form of tempo change or conformation to fit the visual, often several times in a single cue. Then factor the guaranteed issue of the actual film edit being changed (in terms of linear time) while and even after the score has been written.
This is where so many people who have decent musical knowledge who go in to score completely stumble.
I can go on, but it's waaaaaay more faceted than people think.
@tehlord - what specifically do you want to know? I'll try to help any way I can.... |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I still think that composing original orchestra, while incorporating an endless array of other music such as electronic, world, folk, rock, hiphop and even vocals, all to a completely different medium, while expressing the visual elements in a cohesive and complimentary way, truly is the intellectualization of music, at least to me.
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Indeed but I wouldn't attach the word intellectualization to any of the music coming out of hollywood in the last few years or decades if you want to really get cynical. Comparing that to lets lay Wagner's Ring Cycle is like comparing a freshman university student who is slightly retarded to steven hawking. IT is not so much an attack on the individual/s but rather the bitch that is hollywood and their quest to whitewash everything not giving a second look at unity placing sound effects over music and really making the job of the composer to make simple pedal tone music that has been done 3 months ago except this one is just slightly different.
To the individual interested in film scoring. Unless you have about 20 years of piano behind you, a masters degree and all the training that comes along with that like orchestrating, score reading, harmony, and live in LA or other scoring hubs perhaps some places in Europe, your chances are zero. And when you get to these places, unless you have connections , you will not get hired. You will intern with someone often for free unless you find another use ie orchestrating to get your foot in the door.
I don't think some people realize how competent alot of the people behind the scenes are despite the excrement that seems to be spewing from Hollywood but that isn't just for music.
Here is a litmus test. Look at this music. If you can't decompose all that in your head in less than 30 seconds, write it for a string quartet in 5 minutes , then have a certain measure transposed a few intervals to get out of the way of the voice which means not just transposing but preparing the harmonic movement so that it sounds natural in another 5 minutes, you are going to have a tough time in hollywood.
Everyone thinks that epic bull that Morvan posted is so cool but every kid with a few years of harmony and cracked samples is doing that. It isn't impressive. It will not impress anyone here. I don't even understand why people waste their time with the epic reel when you won't be hired ever for a huge epic saga. So I suppose another test is comedy. If you can't write for comedy films, then Hollywood is out of your reach. There are about 100 completely qualified people that can and will takeover at an arms reach. You will not find work unless it is doing work for someone that is doing things already and his pool of people to choose from is rather large. Perhaps this touches upon RANNS anger regarding Tiesto and Okenfoald saying they want to score. EVeryone wants to score but very few people have any idea what scoring is let alone how to do it.
Video games is another matter but the same process is in place. You dont get hired if you don't have experience as the composer of a feature game. Kinda chicken and egg. You intern, hopefully you get your name slapped in the credits and then take it from there. Better hurry tho as Remote Control ie Zimmer has already started taking on video games. I think this will actually open up a few spots as Zimmer isn't actually composing the music but acting as a producer which means there will be opportunities to intern. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Indeed but I wouldn't attach the word intellectualization to any of the music coming out of hollywood in the last few years or decades if you want to really get cynical. Comparing that to lets lay Wagner's Ring Cycle is like comparing a freshman university student who is slightly retarded to steven hawking. IT is not so much an attack on the individual/s but rather the bitch that is hollywood and their quest to whitewash everything not giving a second look at unity placing sound effects over music and really making the job of the composer to make simple pedal tone music that has been done 3 months ago except this one is just slightly different.
To the individual interested in film scoring. Unless you have about 20 years of piano behind you, a masters degree and all the training that comes along with that like orchestrating, score reading, harmony, and live in LA or other scoring hubs perhaps some places in Europe, your chances are zero. And when you get to these places, unless you have connections , you will not get hired. You will intern with someone often for free unless you find another use ie orchestrating to get your foot in the door.
I don't think some people realize how competent alot of the people behind the scenes are despite the excrement that seems to be spewing from Hollywood but that isn't just for music.
Here is a litmus test. Look at this music. If you can't decompose all that in your head in less than 30 seconds, write it for a string quartet in 5 minutes , then have a certain measure transposed a few intervals to get out of the way of the voice which means not just transposing but preparing the harmonic movement so that it sounds natural in another 5 minutes, you are going to have a tough time in hollywood.
Everyone thinks that epic bull that Morvan posted is so cool but every kid with a few years of harmony and cracked samples is doing that. It isn't impressive. It will not impress anyone here. I don't even understand why people waste their time with the epic reel when you won't be hired ever for a huge epic saga. So I suppose another test is comedy. If you can't write for comedy films, then Hollywood is out of your reach. There are about 100 completely qualified people that can and will takeover at an arms reach. You will not find work unless it is doing work for someone that is doing things already and his pool of people to choose from is rather large. Perhaps this touches upon RANNS anger regarding Tiesto and Okenfoald saying they want to score. EVeryone wants to score but very few people have any idea what scoring is let alone how to do it.
Video games is another matter but the same process is in place. You dont get hired if you don't have experience as the composer of a feature game. Kinda chicken and egg. You intern, hopefully you get your name slapped in the credits and then take it from there. Better hurry tho as Remote Control ie Zimmer has already started taking on video games. I think this will actually open up a few spots as Zimmer isn't actually composing the music but acting as a producer which means there will be opportunities to intern. |
I couldn't give a crap about Hollywood.
I didn't read much else. |
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