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Anyone do a bit of filmscore style work?....ehem......Owen! (pg. 3)
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| Mad for Brad |
| It sounded like you wanted to do film scoring, not music that sounds like the music you hear in movies. If so , you probably not want to discount the biggest concentration of film composers ie Hollywood. I apologize for misinterpreting your intentions. You did ask for score juice and I gave it to you. Sorry if I didn't candy coat it for you. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Sorry if I didn't candy coat it for you. |
And I humbly apologise for not making it clearer that I just wanted to make the music, and not earn a crust making the music.
Your post was one of those 'let ME tell YOU what you can't do' epics that fails to peak my interest in any way.
I didn't realise you were just trying to help. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| just call it orchestral then. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
just call it orchestral then. |
I'll call what I do whatever the fack I want. And whether it's right or wrong has fack all to do with you mmmmm'k? |
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| Mad for Brad |
| you sure can. Your piece sucked btw. I would call that as a genre "". |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I would call that as a genre "". |
Good for you! :) |
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| owien |
| why do people get so worked up when they see others trying their hand at something else?? |
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| Ravist |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
why do people get so worked up when they see others trying their hand at something else?? |
Because they always assume the worst |
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| Crash |
| So is zimmer the same as tiesto is with trance? |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
why do people get so worked up when they see others trying their hand at something else?? |
Insecurity. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crash
So is zimmer the same as tiesto is with trance? |
Yes, except instead of doing the crucifix pose he often does the 'thinker' pose. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Indeed but I wouldn't attach the word intellectualization to any of the music coming out of hollywood in the last few years or decades if you want to really get cynical. Comparing that to lets lay Wagner's Ring Cycle is like comparing a freshman university student who is slightly retarded to steven hawking. IT is not so much an attack on the individual/s but rather the bitch that is hollywood and their quest to whitewash everything not giving a second look at unity placing sound effects over music and really making the job of the composer to make simple pedal tone music that has been done 3 months ago except this one is just slightly different.
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That's not quite true. The standard of film has dropped so the quality of music had dropped proportionally with it, it's not hollywood just creating music. That said, there has been some superb score out of Hollywood in the last few years, Zimmer's Dark Kinight and Frost/Nixon are good examples of mainstream film with excellent scores.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
To the individual interested in film scoring. Unless you have about 20 years of piano behind you, a masters degree and all the training that comes along with that like orchestrating, score reading, harmony, and live in LA or other scoring hubs perhaps some places in Europe, your chances are zero. And when you get to these places, unless you have connections , you will not get hired. You will intern with someone often for free unless you find another use ie orchestrating to get your foot in the door.
I don't think some people realize how competent alot of the people behind the scenes are despite the excrement that seems to be spewing from Hollywood but that isn't just for music.
Here is a litmus test. Look at this music. If you can't decompose all that in your head in less than 30 seconds, write it for a string quartet in 5 minutes , then have a certain measure transposed a few intervals to get out of the way of the voice which means not just transposing but preparing the harmonic movement so that it sounds natural in another 5 minutes, you are going to have a tough time in hollywood.
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Again, not quite true. your orchestrator would have to be able to do that (and some composers get in to the game by doing that job) but many just have a good deal of musical talent, not genius level, and a lot of intellect to go with it.
Don't forget, Zimmer (and a couple of the other big boys) was completely self taught (no music school etc.). Most of the up and coming composers I know did go to great schools (the usual ones) but got in to very soon after by assisting and didn't need to have masters degrees and 20 years of piano behind them (10 maybe). But yes you are right about what they have to go through to get there and connections etc. Way it goes - they're not going to give up the throne without paying dues but that's any job in entertainment. Watch swimming with sharks.
Couldn't agree more with competency of people behind the scenes. Most composers have a team (in some cases and entire company) of sub composers, assistants, orchestrators, music editors, sound designers, session musicians (I could go on) to help them "compose". It;s way more a collaborative effort than anyone really realizes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Everyone thinks that epic bull that Morvan posted is so cool but every kid with a few years of harmony and cracked samples is doing that. It isn't impressive. It will not impress anyone here. I don't even understand why people waste their time with the epic reel when you won't be hired ever for a huge epic saga. So I suppose another test is comedy. If you can't write for comedy films, then Hollywood is out of your reach. There are about 100 completely qualified people that can and will takeover at an arms reach. You will not find work unless it is doing work for someone that is doing things already and his pool of people to choose from is rather large. Perhaps this touches upon RANNS anger regarding Tiesto and Okenfoald saying they want to score. EVeryone wants to score but very few people have any idea what scoring is let alone how to do it.
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Totally - but a small amount for the epic reel is needed so you can show you can do the grand stuff, even though you'll be nothing close to anything like that even on your first 10 films, if you even ever get there. Comedy is indeed the test - if you can pull that off you make a truly good living and get up the ranks to other genres. There's also so many comedies (alegedly) made these days there's a lot of work out there.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Video games is another matter but the same process is in place. You dont get hired if you don't have experience as the composer of a feature game. Kinda chicken and egg. You intern, hopefully you get your name slapped in the credits and then take it from there. Better hurry tho as Remote Control ie Zimmer has already started taking on video games. I think this will actually open up a few spots as Zimmer isn't actually composing the music but acting as a producer which means there will be opportunities to intern.
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RCP has been doing games for years, it's nothing new, just not well known. Why wouldn't they? Some games are outselling movies in terms of sales.
Actually, the producing thing is going to leave less opportunities if anything - I think it gives him time to just oversee projects rather than score them himself, meaning he can do more projects because one of his people is scoring it. It makes it more difficult for the competition because you get a Zimmer score for probably less cost, and he can pick and choose which projects he wants.
He is a seriously smart guy and knows exactly what he's doing.
mad for Brad, is that you richie? ;) |
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