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| Ry Thomas |
| Maybe Imageline should take some tips from Universal Audio, dont think UAD has ever been cracked |
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| JEO |
Same in Finland.
Sorry, forgot to exclude the software from that sentence. I also wasn't encouraging anyone to dl their software. Just expressed that I PERSONALLY want to BUY and OWN the product I use, concrete, and people downloading their software is none of my business. If I were a software developer of some kind, I'd surely have a stronger opinion on people pirating, as I have for people stealing. Though these two things don't have too much in common, they do have their similarities.
Going to extremes (and to a far smaller scale), I think my mom (owns a little clothes/fabric store) wouldn't be happy if people downloaded her handcrafted dresses and just printed and wore them, hohoooo. |
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| 19503 |
| why not? thats good commercial and free promotion for her stuff. and broke people could wear her clothes too. lol |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
Have you ever worked on a product for 4-5 month, dedicated all your time, put your heart and soul, and virtual sweat in it, and only to find out that it ends up on the internet? Please only say such statements when you have actually been through it otherwise its total BS. I can confirm that "cracks" indeed cause lost sales. Those of us who make soundsets know what Im talking about. Sure, its not software, but it can still end up on the internet. So it the same thing.
Its really ignorant to think that people who use cracks wouldnt have bought it anyway. When I have a product I have a steady sale, but as soon as it end up on the net the sales drop instantly and thats it. Say goodbye to your hard work. When people cant find the product on the internet, their only choice is to support the developer, but if they can find it on the www for free, they think, I can use the money for something else. No one is going to say, oh look there is this product here but I wouldnt have bought it anyway, it could be mine for free in a mouseclick, but I wont use it since I didnt buy it.
So saying something like people who use cracks wont anyway buy it, is a joke. |
Theres a big difference between something like a soundset and something like a waves bundle.
Most of the people who use waves cracks were never going to buy it because they simply couldn't afford it. I seriously doubt whether waves sees their sales drop much when a crack comes out. This is not so much the case with soundsets, although it still does apply in a limited way, I doubt whether every cracked soundset user would be a potential buyer, maybe it'd be 1/5. But only 1/50 waves crack user would be a potential buyer from them IMO.
People shouldn't make blanket statements about this sort of thing IMO, its very context dependant.
Personally, I have the attitude of "from everyone according to their means". In other words, you should put an amount of money into the music (including tracks and plugins) proportional to the time you spend on the hobby, the money you make from music, and the money you earn from other avenues.
If you're a poor highschool student, no ones going to blame you if you use cracks. If you only use the software once a year, no ones going to blame you if you use cracks. If you use the software every day, and are a lawyer on 150k a year, and you use cracks, then you're a person. Its all about context IMO. |
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| adamtrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Theres a big difference between something like a soundset and something like a waves bundle. |
Yes, there is a big difference. A waves bundle is 3000€ and a soundset is 30€. And both are equally being warezed. It has less to do with being poor, and more with not caring/supporting peoples work. Those people dont understand the amount of work put into these things.
But ok, lets assume that everyone is poor and they cant afford a soundset. But dont those people go out and have fun? a 20-30 euro soundset costs the same as if you were to go out for a beer with your friend. And you cant afford that? Plus a soundset is better because you will have it forever, and the beer only lasts until nature calls. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| But with a beer you also have the memories of all the stupid beery things you did while under the influence. I don't think a sound set will cause anyone to dance wildly like a moron, try to play the suave ladies' man, and finally end the night in the drunk tank. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But with a beer you also have the memories of all the stupid beery things you did while under the influence. I don't think a sound set will cause anyone to dance wildly like a moron, try to play the suave ladies' man, and finally end the night in the drunk tank. |
With beer, the bar/restaurant/club/convenience/liquor store has already paid for people's hard work and inventiveness. They're just reselling the beer - an essentially replicable piece of work, if there ever was one. Before someone makes the investment in beer, they should be allowed to take it out on a test-drive. Especially if it's beyond their price range, people should steal beer. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
Yes, there is a big difference. A waves bundle is 3000€ and a soundset is 30€. And both are equally being warezed. It has less to do with being poor, and more with not caring/supporting peoples work. Those people dont understand the amount of work put into these things.
But ok, lets assume that everyone is poor and they cant afford a soundset. But dont those people go out and have fun? a 20-30 euro soundset costs the same as if you were to go out for a beer with your friend. And you cant afford that? Plus a soundset is better because you will have it forever, and the beer only lasts until nature calls. |
Yeah, all the stuff in the second paragraph applies to soundsets but not waves bundles.
Both are not being equally warezed dude, proportionally, less people would bother warezing the soundset because its more affordable and harder write off as something that "you simply can't afford".
Theres a difference between warezing a soundset which you could easily afford and easily justify (although if your charging 30 euro for a soundset, thats a bit of a ripoff IMO) and warezing a waves bundle that you could never justify spending 3k on.
Anyway, isn't your entire business model essentially based on plagiarising other artist's sounds and selling the presets on for a profit? I don't think you really have a high horse to sit on mate. Given that dance music is essentially built on copyright theft (in the form of sampling) I really don't think anyone in this scene has the right to take a moral highground. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
If you're a poor highschool student, no ones going to blame you if you use cracks. If you only use the software once a year, no ones going to blame you if you use cracks. If you use the software every day, and are a lawyer on 150k a year, and you use crack, then you're a person. Its all about context IMO. |
Fixed. :tongue2 |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Does ebay still allow warezed software? I remember last time I went on a good deal of people were selling cracks of FL Studio and Reason. Others were adding the cracks to their sample packs and selling the sample packs basically advertised with the cracks.
Doesn't look like ebay has any morals either. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| Also Fl Studio stated something like 60% of people who use thier software uses a crack, I bought mine, but I wouldn't doubt that 50% of professional studios have cracks, if even just one. |
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| adamtrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Anyway, isn't your entire business model essentially based on plagiarising other artist's sounds and selling the presets on for a profit? |
No its not plagairasing. Lets call it emulating. Yes you are right, if I were to break into the artists studios and open their project save their sound, then come home and do a collection of artists sounds and sell them, then indeed I would be able to sit on a high horse.
But you are forgetting that thats not what I did. I spent a lot of time recreating them, or emulating or what you wanna call it, and its not stealing. If the warez people would "emulate" my sounds I wouldnt care. The problem is they get an exact copy.
But lets not talk about soundsets, I just used that as an example, lets talk about price range because after all thats what affect people. Sure a 3000€ product might not be selling that much, but you are forgetting that propably many people worked on it, and even if just 10 people buy it, thats 30000€. Thats a lot. A product thats around 30€ usually the developer is just one person, and gets affected more. And they will never make 30000€ from their product. |
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