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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
No its not open source. You dont work on something, and you find out someone put it up on the internet. In open source YOU put it up on the internet. Dont blend the two. |
Lol, you missed my point. It ends up on the internet either way. Only open source people don't get mad about it. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
No its not plagairasing. Lets call it emulating. Yes you are right, if I were to break into the artists studios and open their project save their sound, then come home and do a collection of artists sounds and sell them, then indeed I would be able to sit on a high horse.
But you are forgetting that thats not what I did. I spent a lot of time recreating them, or emulating or what you wanna call it, and its not stealing. If the warez people would "emulate" my sounds I wouldnt care. The problem is they get an exact copy.
But lets not talk about soundsets, I just used that as an example, lets talk about price range because after all thats what affect people. Sure a 3000€ product might not be selling that much, but you are forgetting that propably many people worked on it, and even if just 10 people buy it, thats 30000€. Thats a lot. A product thats around 30€ usually the developer is just one person, and gets affected more. And they will never make 30000€ from their product. |
Pfft. Plagiarising, emulating, same thing. Last I looked you were using other artist's melodies to promote your product. And now you get on a high horse about piracy? You spend a lot of time on your soundsets, a highscool kid spends a lot of time looking for cracks. I don't really care, I'm just saying you should see it from other's point of view. This whole scene is based on very sketchy practises, and its funny how now everyone's turning around and getting angry about it. No one is lilly white around here.
I have no idea what you're trying to say about more people working on a project, but logically, if theres 10 people working on a project, and it sells 10 copies, then thats only $300 each. I don't think any software developers are making a lot of money at the moment. You as a soundset designer are probably getting quite a decent rate of pay per hour I'd say compared to the average small software company.
I'm not advocating piracy, I think if we want this scene to work then we all need to contribute to support the artists and developers who make it work. This applies to both music and software. But theres no way to FORCE someone to buy stuff legally, and most people will or have used cracks at some point. The same way that everyone has downloaded MP3s at some point. If it gets more people (who later pay for software/music/soundbanks) into the scene, then its a good thing IMO. |
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| adamtrance |
| quote: | | Lol, you missed my point. It ends up on the internet either way. Only open source people don't get mad about it. |
I think you missed your own point. A person who does open source, he does it specifically to be put on the internet, and he doesnt expect to make a profit out of it.
If you work on something however, to get a little money, to help you through your studies, and people put your work up, and you can say goodbye to your little support you had, its a different thing.
| quote: | | I have no idea what you're trying to say about more people working on a project, but logically, if theres 10 people working on a project, and it sells 10 copies, then thats only $300 each. I don't think any software developers are making a lot of money at the moment. |
In a bigger company they propably get monthly payment, so they could care less, if their product will get cracked or not, coz they are still making a decent amount of money, and they will get their monthly paycheck regardless.
| quote: | | You as a soundset designer are probably getting quite a decent rate of pay per hour I'd say compared to the average small software company. |
Yes I love how everybody thinks that, when its not like that at all.
But why are we still talking about soundsets? I just brought it up as en example that even when a product is "cheap" and "im poor" is not an excuse, it still being warezed.
But anyway I think we all agree on that people should support the developers if you use the product:) |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
Have you ever worked on a product for 4-5 month, dedicated all your time, put your heart and soul, and virtual sweat in it, and only to find out that it ends up on the internet? |
yup
You still seem to think those that have a cracked version of waves would of saved up for it if they had no other choice. This is nonsense. Some developpers will suffer, mostly the ones that will only sell to noobs which I suppose would include soundset makers like yourself but you would be a fool to state it causes lost sales for all software developers.
and judging by your equipment list , I don't doubt all the soundsets you created were made on cracked software. If you can't warrant spending over 100 on speakers, I just don't see you spending anything on a vst. |
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| EddieZilker |
Why? Please tell me why this pointless thread is still here and not dropping to the archives? This is an utterly pointless discussion. I will always be anti-piracy and those who are for it aren't going to be convinced of my correctness.
These arguments aren't anything novel. They're certainly not new. For those that are for piracy, take it to the developer's forum over at KVR. You'll likely have the thread locked, immediately, but more importantly I'm almost certain that there is at least one thread in the archives which contains all the arguments against software/music/sound-set piracy conveniently contravening EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH IN THIS THREAD (along-side a few you haven't thought of) FOR IT! |
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| kitphillips |
No one was advocating piracy. Read the thread.
I was just pointing out how funny it is that a bunch of people who make music that is fundamentally disrespectful of copyright can get so worked up about piracy in other settings. |
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| cronodevir |
| Good music is good music. Whether the tools used to make it were paid for or not, doesn't detract from that. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
No one was advocating piracy. Read the thread.
I was just pointing out how funny it is that a bunch of people who make music that is fundamentally disrespectful of copyright can get so worked up about piracy in other settings. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pecarlo
a topic about cracked software |
| quote: | | Software piracy is the mislicensing, unauthorized reproduction and illegal distribution of software, whether for business or personal use. |
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
If it gets more people (who later pay for software/music/soundbanks) into the scene, then its a good thing IMO. |
You're not advocating - no - that's clearly rationalizing.
Please, please, please don't degenerate any more of your lucid arguments into a discussion on semantics, on my account. Continue, if it suits your purpose, whatever that might be. Let me thank you for clearing up my own misunderstanding which clearly arose from actually having read this malingering clusterf*ck.
I'll admit I had to skim through the last twelve posts to find one where you have contradicted yoursel... oops, er, I meant to say, proposed a nuanced viewpoint which is immediately contrasted by words which proceeded it that would actually negate what you were saying, in the first place.
Forgive me for being logical and coming to an appropriate conclusion based upon all of the available information. |
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| adamtrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
and judging by your equipment list , I don't doubt all the soundsets you created were made on cracked software. If you can't warrant spending over 100 on speakers, I just don't see you spending anything on a vst. |
Haha, thanks for brightening up my day! I love how ed up internet is. No wonder I havent posted here for a while. Suddenly Im the bad guy now, and you take a look at what I work with, and from that you can conclude that Im a stealer brat, just because I dont want to spend 100 on a speaker. So suddenly there is a rule now, that if you dont buy a genelec or yamaha or whatnot speakers you are automatically using cracked ? Man thats was a real ignorant post you know that?
Go over the fl studio forums and ask if I have bought fl. Go ask lennard and check that I have a legit sylenth, why dont you send an email to urs and ask him if I have bought zebra? Oh and should I also take a photo of massive box, with the cd? And so on... Who are you to judje me by a photo based on what speakers I use?
But anyway, why is everyone against me now? I dont get it. I have no problem with anyone here, and people are acting as if I was making the tutorial with cracked software to begin with.
This topic is indeed pointless, I thought we could have some decent discussion, but the people here are bashing each other. I do not wish to participate in this anymore, I have far better things to do.
(And to predict the future, some ass will quote my "I have far better things to do" and respond with: "yeah to steal software and steal this and that because you dont have proper speakers". So if that happenes, then "I told you" :) ) |
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| Mad for Brad |
just a gut feeling which I clearly admitted. Of course nobody will know just like you can't prove that you've lost sales. You might have a feeling that you lost sales but until you conduct an extensive independent study , you aren't going to find out.
I downloaded all your soundsets and found them rather boring. You didn't loose a sale by me stealing your soundsets. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by adamtrance
(And to predict the future, some ass will quote my "I have far better things to do" and respond with: "yeah to steal software and steal this and that because you dont have proper speakers". So if that happenes, then "I told you" :) ) |
Or you could just steal some decent speakers... jerk!
FWIW - I'm not against you or anyone. I just dislike disingenuous language, circular logic, topics which go nowhere, dancing, picnics, vegans and moonlit walks on the beach. As I said earlier, this topic has been put in a grave fit for a horse. There is absolutely no understanding of its pertinent facts which cannot be settled with a quick Google search. Everyone here knows these facts along with the arguments they support but have come out on different sides of it, based solely on their own motivations, whatever those might be. There is no information that will come up in this topic which is going to find anyone better informed or, for that matter, change anyone's mind.
The fact that you're feeling the heat is testimony to that. No one has anymore gas in their arguments so now it's time to start trolling and/or flaming - which is ultimately only useful for discharging hostility and/or sadistic gratification. It will not, however, solve anything. |
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| adamtrance |
| quote: | | I downloaded all your soundsets and found them rather boring. You didn't loose a sale by me stealing your soundsets. |
Im glad you like them. You found them boring coz your crappy million dollar speakers arent as good as mine. Buy good ones like me to be able to hear the full sound spectrum, and punch of my presets hahaha :D |
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