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Lee Foss - U Got Me ep (Hot Creations) (pg. 5)
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's a cop out argument to say "If you love the music enough/want these records enough, you'd drop the grand on the equipment." It's like some manipulative wife saying "If you really love me, you'll buy me the expensive bag". Not everyone has a wad of cash to blow on such a luxury purchase so they can buy a few records. I love music, but I love music, not the piece of plastic it comes on. I'm not being suckered into paying over the odds by that argument. |
I guess we can just agree to disagree. I don't think a label's preferred method of releasing a track has to do with being cliquey or snobbish. More often than not most things find their way to digital at some point (this EP for example). I think it has to do more with getting the release in the hands of DJs at first to gain the exposure, then the general public later. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
You can get a record to DJs in any format.
The main reason I see for it is materialism - people will pay for physical formats out of some misguided belief it's worth something. Hipsters are suckers for this, which is why so many indie releases come out on limited edition runs on weird formats like 10" vinyls or cassette tapes. These rare and unusual things are seen as being valuable and exclusive, so people pay more for them. You end up with clowns like Mark Anthony who refuse to buy anything other than vinyl, because they don't actually give a about music and care very deeply about having things.
Obviously I'm not talking about releases like this one, which end up with digital releases in the end. |
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| Teezdalien |
There's still obviously pros and cons for each format which also vary from person to person, I'm also not trying to take a side in this argument but share my own point of view.
Yes I have collected and played vinyl from the days before the digital formats arrived, I also do use mp3's these days as it's cost effective and efficient. I do not buy nearly as much vinyl as I used to for that reason and the fact there are many digital only releases and vice versa , so I try to take the best of both.
However my love for vinyl has nothing to do with the material side of things, it's always been a hobby of mine and I was proud to have a great record collection that could be clearly seen as a passion of mine. There's simply a feeling I get which is hard to describe when I buy a new record which I do not get from buying an mp3. You don't get the social and personal aspect of buying music with mp3s like you do from an actual record shop. I used to love chatting with other DJs about music in the stores. I also rarely records off the internet, called me old fashioned but that's how I like to do things.
Also where's the resale value in an mp3?
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You end up with clowns like Mark Anthony who refuse to buy anything other than vinyl, because they don't actually give a about music and care very deeply about having things.
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This is just nonsense. :p |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can get a record to DJs in any format.
The main reason I see for it is materialism - people will pay for physical formats out of some misguided belief it's worth something. Hipsters are suckers for this, which is why so many indie releases come out on limited edition runs on weird formats like 10" vinyls or cassette tapes. These rare and unusual things are seen as being valuable and exclusive, so people pay more for them. You end up with clowns like Mark Anthony who refuse to buy anything other than vinyl, because they don't actually give a about music and care very deeply about having things.
Obviously I'm not talking about releases like this one, which end up with digital releases in the end. |
The clown talk coming from someone who sat down on a friday night with a 6-pack of beer to write a review about a Tiesto CD. Yea, that was a winning proposition right from the get-go.
And in regards to "caring about having things", you'd be surprised at how minimized my existence is. I could fit all my stuff in the back of a small U-Haul and be gone in a few hours.
I'm constantly amazed at how much of a cheap-ass you come off as in terms of your music. You love the music enough to ramble on and on in this forum regarding the minitua of dance music yet you're too frugal to shell out for some vinyl every once in awhile. Do you really expect to be taken seriously with a giant terabyte drive full of bits and bytes? |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by JPlay
also you have to like deep house, :clown: |
its the only house. |
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| epicaricacy |
i never invited someone over to my house to look at my itunes playlist.
just saying:p
people that like to buy records are not elitists...they are people who simply enjoy buying and mixing with records.
except for mark anthony...he is gay. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can get a record to DJs in any format.
The main reason I see for it is materialism - people will pay for physical formats out of some misguided belief it's worth something. Hipsters are suckers for this, which is why so many indie releases come out on limited edition runs on weird formats like 10" vinyls or cassette tapes. These rare and unusual things are seen as being valuable and exclusive, so people pay more for them. You end up with clowns like Mark Anthony who refuse to buy anything other than vinyl, because they don't actually give a about music and care very deeply about having things.
Obviously I'm not talking about releases like this one, which end up with digital releases in the end. |
Bull.
It is worth something. A nice record with full cover art over a great piece of music is and SHOULD be worth more than a ing mp3.
I buy the majority of my music for DJing purposes from download sites, but I'm not averse to paying for the odd quality record or things that are limited pressings, because they DO have value, they are collectors items and also worth the money simply for the music.
I don't think there are legions of hipsters or DJs out there just buying ty records simply for the sake of owning vinyl. They're buying pieces that mean a lot to them or are worth the extra money and wait for. And the fact that any knob can't just go download the mp3 off beatport and then paste it all over the internet definitely does ADD value to it and that is the point. The extra effort required weeds out whiney cry babies like yourself. These days everyone wants everything handed to them on a silver platter, and I find it a relief to see some labels like perlon basically saying that, we're releasing records and anyone who REALLY wants this can just deal with it. The new Wareika album I just bought from them came with 2x12s and a CD with the entire album on it for home listening. It was 38$ after shipping from the UK and worth every penny... |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's a cop out argument to say "If you love the music enough/want these records enough, you'd drop the grand on the equipment." It's like some manipulative wife saying "If you really love me, you'll buy me the expensive bag". Not everyone has a wad of cash to blow on such a luxury purchase so they can buy a few records. I love music, but I love music, not the piece of plastic it comes on. I'm not being suckered into paying over the odds by that argument. |
Technics are cheap as now, (far far cheaper than CDJs or traktor or a laptop) so that argument is complete bull as well. |
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| epicaricacy |
and to be fair...buying records is not that much more expensive than buying digital. Yes the shipping can suck balls for people like me who do not live in europe, but at the end of the day i buy things because i want them, not because they will make me look cool.
to argue that you need gear to listen to something is a little silly. (back in the day this was essential, and if people really wanted it, they would go for it.You might think it is being stuck in the past, but if there really were no market for pressings of this nature...no one would do them would they?
in an age where it is more rare to find someone that is not a dj than is...i think it is refreshing to put formats out there for the music lover that value it enough to go further than just searching for a free version on soulseek or google. |
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| Frenkieee |
| And now you all are just considering buying stuff online. What about going into an actual record store, browsing through bins full of vinyl that almost no one has ever heard of. It's the sentiment of finding gems that way that beats just grabbing the new #1 off of Beatport. |
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| epicaricacy |
the reality is that record stores that carry the type of music we happen to enjoy are far from being the norm outside of europe.
the last record store in town happened to close here just a few weeks back.` |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
I'm constantly amazed at how much of a cheap-ass you come off as in terms of your music. You love the music enough to ramble on and on in this forum regarding the minitua of dance music yet you're too frugal to shell out for some vinyl every once in awhile. Do you really expect to be taken seriously with a giant terabyte drive full of bits and bytes? |
Taken seriously about what? Do you think someone's opinion on music is worth less because of the format of their collection? And for what it's worth, I have hundreds of CD releases which add up to a hell of a lot of money, including multiple out-of-print rarities I've paid over $50 for a piece.
But it's ing obvious that music is a status symbol to you. The way you make Discogs thread praising classic tracks and then say you only actually play the percussive intros. The way you accuse people of liking records to be part of the "West Coast wanker crew". You can protest as much as you want, but as far as I'm concerned your obsession with owning vinyls is entirely about the show of them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Technics are cheap as now, (far far cheaper than CDJs or traktor or a laptop) so that argument is complete bull as well. |
Already dismissed that line of thinking. And the entire post before that amounts to "Bull! [Materialistic reasons for valuing vinyl]". All of which is a compelling argument, but I'm going to have to utterly ignore it. |
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