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Uplifting Trance Is All The Same (pg. 5)
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I just don't see how the new stuff comes even close to what was done from
2000 - 20003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsfmveRY6I
And i'm not one of those people that only likes old stuff. I love alot of new EDM but it isn't in the trance genre. And I hate the old old EDM. But for melodic trance, the epicentre of good stuff was from 2000 - 2003 and the artists were SHOKK, FLUTLICHT, Scot Project and Alphazone.
and of course p anthem by dj passion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHo5bIO75A
I honestly feel bad for those that missed that era and never got to go mega raving with those tracks. I guess what i'm saying is that it was an era. move on. stop trying to recreate it as you won't come close. It would be like recreating the classical or romantic era. You will always sound like some cheap derivate unless you innovate. |
It depends on what you believe. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| it depends on whether you have some sort of aesthetic compass. There are some things you can't deny, the best romantic styled music was during the romantic period, and similarly, the best melodic trance was during the melodic trance period. I really don't think there is much to argue. I'm not saying it is the best trance as that is a matter of taste but if you want to talk about a particular era, then it is usually that era that has the best music of that era. When you try to recreate something that has already been done so well that all the artists that did it have moved on , its an indication that what you are doing is derivative and lame. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
it depends on whether you have some sort of aesthetic compass. There are some things you can't deny, the best romantic styled music was during the romantic period, and similarly, the best melodic trance was during the melodic trance period. |
Please tell me you're trolling. |
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| Mad for Brad |
i'm absolutely serious. You missed it. Trying to revive an era without some serious modifications which nobody seems to be doing is redundant and thats why you get called on all the new sounding the same as they are trying to do the same thing. I"m not talking about trance as a whole. Just that type of trance with fancy melodies and what not. You missed the boat.
find me an exception. Find me someone that did classical better than the masters of classical, same with the romantic period, same with swing , classic rock ……
You are trying to revive something that has been done to death and done well.
And that is why I keep praising scot project as he does keep some of the melodic elements but he has evolved constantly changing his sound to not sound repetitive. He pays mind to the past without copying it 100% |
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| Kysora |
Nobody's recreating anything. Fancy melodies? That's not allowed in trance anymore because it was only done well, in your opinion, a few years ago? Are you kidding me?
That's nothing but your opinion, stop saying it like it's a fact and that anyone who agrees with you is inherently wrong. That's ridiculous. Melodic trance nowadays is good if you're willing to give it a chance, the fact that you're not doesn't reflect on the genre at all. |
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| Mad for Brad |
but it isn't good. It all sounds the same like everyone else has been saying. You can do what you want but the second you do something that has been done before and you haven't really done anything different to make it not redundant, it sucks. It has no purpose. And I suppose it is my opinion but 9/10 people agree with it. I know this is hitting a nerve because this is what you and i'm sorry if it stings.
My field of work involves ty romantic wannabe classical music. I'm not afraid to admit it. Perhaps your nose is so buried in your precious genre that you lack perspective. |
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| Kysora |
Trust me, nothing I'm saying comes from anything personal. I'm way too modest and inexperienced with my own work for me to think anything I do can be considered groundbreaking in any way. Admittedly I think for 3 years of production and songwriting experience I've gotten pretty far, but no, this isn't hitting a nerve personally.
I just don't see where you get off saying it sounds the same. Nobody's trying to revive classic melodic trance, modern trance sounds nothing like music from that period. Producers like Andy Blueman, Ciro Visone, Arctic Moon, Soundlift, they're creating music that has a lot more depth and emotion than music from that period. It uses orchestral instrumentation, the breakdowns are longer and more emotional. I've never heard melodic trance track pre-2000 that used instruments like bassoons or duduks or orchestral percussion. What you guys pass off as "hurr 3 minute breakdowns" is you just ignoring the fact that modern music does make an attempt to sound different from its predecessors, even if they're still using "fancy melodies" they're being used in a very different context. At the very least it sure as hell sounds different to me.
If you're saying all modern trance sounds the same, again, that's an opinion. Some producers focus a bit too much on songwriting and not enough on varying their production techniques but whether or not you think that's a problem.. again, matter of taste and opinion.
But of course I'm speaking against the majority at this forum so I'm sure that's good enough of a reason for some of you to just pass me off as wrong. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I just don't see how the new stuff comes even close to what was done from
2000 - 20003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsfmveRY6I
And i'm not one of those people that only likes old stuff. I love alot of new EDM but it isn't in the trance genre. And I hate the old old EDM. But for melodic trance, the epicentre of good stuff was from 2000 - 2003 and the artists were SHOKK, FLUTLICHT, Scot Project and Alphazone.
and of course p anthem by dj passion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHo5bIO75A
I honestly feel bad for those that missed that era and never got to go mega raving with those tracks. I guess what i'm saying is that it was an era. move on. stop trying to recreate it as you won't come close. It would be like recreating the classical or romantic era. You will always sound like some cheap derivate unless you innovate. |
Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted?? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted?? |
If someone posted either of those in the Music Producer's Promotion Forum, today, I'd be hard pressed to give it a review, let alone a good one.
EDIT: For clarity, I'm referring to the DJ Passion and Matt Silver V. Tony Burt tunes. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted?? |
much. Of course the vinyl rips sound awful but yes. They were original then. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
If you're saying all modern trance sounds the same, again, that's an opinion. Some producers focus a bit too much on songwriting and not enough on varying their production techniques but whether or not you think that's a problem.. again, matter of taste and opinion.
But of course I'm speaking against the majority at this forum so I'm sure that's good enough of a reason for some of you to just pass me off as wrong. |
then please do show me 1 upllifting trance track that is new with a melody that is somewhat original that doesn't sound like a bad alphazone ripoff. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
much. Of course the vinyl rips sound awful but yes. They were original then. |
You gotta be tin' me:wtf:
I loved FLUTLICHT! but Alphazone\SHOKK were pretty mediocre\boring and i felt the same way about them back then.
You could have made a good point if you used better examples.
You are also comparing apples with oranges, Kysora is talking about Uplifting Trance while you're talking about Hard Trance. |
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