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Shed - The Traveller [Ostgut Ton] (pg. 6)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
this thread.
going places. |
I think the main ruckus has died down, really. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you went through a phase of enjoying that music (and if you weren't enjoying it, why were you spending so much time and money on it?) then you should understand why others do now. |
1.) girlfriend liked it
2.) comps/drink tickets
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And you've just got to leave them to have the epiphany you describe above, if they ever want to have it.
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Probably, but I definitely got several kicks in the pants by people who thought were dicks at the time, but I look back on it with appreciation.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This thread should be about Shed, not the music Shed critics listen to. |
I agree. I was not the one to derail the conversation, and only responded to personal affronts. (like your post) My thoughts on the album are in this thread too. |
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| woscar |
LOL Adam, you could have spared everyone from your typical superiority complex diatribe had you read my post properly:
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
A little bit of both, I think. Take tracks like Hello Bleep, My R-Class and No Way! for example. Sounds like music robots would make, not humans. With the exception of the track I mentioned and the Chill Out tracks, it all sounds so cold, mechanical, hollow and well...dull to me. Maybe that's the point but then again, I've never been into this type of Ostgut Ton techno or dubstep so I don't know what the I'm talking about. :p |
And since I know you're not an idiot (but surely enjoy pretending to be one from time to time), I know that you understood exactly what I meant with the music made by robots vs music made by humans comment but yet felt it necessary to pretend to not get it, build a ridiculous straw man argument around it and use it as a segue into your masturbatory rant about how great older music is and how you are super awesome for knowing about it.
As highlighted above, maybe the point of certain brands of techno is precisely to sound cold, mechanical, hollow, faceless, and machinelike. And maybe...just maybe, that is precisely why I don't enjoy it. |
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| chesco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seppuku
I miss when this thread was about Shed. |
I agree, lets get it back on track
Sorry/ |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
LOL Adam, you could have spared everyone from your typical superiority complex diatribe had you read my post properly:
And since I know you're not an idiot (but surely enjoy pretending to be one from time to time), I know that you understood exactly what I meant with the music made by robots vs music made by humans comment
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No, and I still fail to see what the 'proper' reading of your post is. Stop trying to save face. Gadi wouldn't even waste his time posting to people like me.
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
but yet felt it necessary to pretend to not get it, build a ridiculous straw man argument around it and use it as a segue into your masturbatory rant about how great older music is and how you are super awesome for knowing about it. |
Wrong. The only argument made was that techno of any time period purports to sound like it's made by robots, and the 'human' music you support doesn't, but sounds like it's computer generated anyway.
Talk about straw men :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
As highlighted above, maybe the point of certain brands of techno is precisely to sound cold, mechanical, hollow, faceless, and machinelike. And maybe...just maybe, that is precisely why I don't enjoy it. |
Ok, let's try this again. What kind of brand of 'techno' do you enjoy that is warm, human, full, face-full, and anti-machine? Tell me what this techno is and what makes it enjoyable to you. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by chesco
I agree, lets get it back on track |
What track was this thread on?
Do you all just want to read posts like
"Cool, can't wait for it to come out!"
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"I like tracks 5-11!"
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"Shed can do no wrong"
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"Sounds pretty crap to me, yo!"
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Ok, let's get it right back on track! |
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| woscar |
OK, I'm ing bored so I'm going to humor you...
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
No, and I still fail to see what the 'proper' reading of your post is. Stop trying to save face. Gadi wouldn't even waste his time posting to people like me. |
Well, that speaks numbers of your comprehension skills then, since JBJ and Adam420 grasped it immediately:
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I thought that he was talking more about the sounds (lots of synthetic, "cold," metallic stuff) than about the arrangement or programming. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Also, I believe he was referring to the sound aesthetic rather than the structure. |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Wrong. The only argument made was that techno of any time period purports to sound like it's made by robots, and the 'human' music you support doesn't, but sounds like it's computer generated anyway.
Talk about straw men :rolleyes: |
No it wasn't.
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
or is it that tech house musicians make embarassing videos of themselves on drugs at music festivals that makes their music "human"? |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
This is a totally irrelevant tangent. Back to the topic: It's electronic music we're talking about. Techno even. Yes, it sounds it's made by robots. So does woscar-beat. Except the robots who make it are wearing gorilla suits and blackface. |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
but seriously, i want to know if this is what makes it human for woscar - the idea that you can put a (funny) face to the music and party.
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See? Textbook straw man. Let's take a distorted example of the topic in question, turn it into a generalization that is easy to ridicule and attack it.
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Ok, let's try this again. What kind of brand of 'techno' do you enjoy that is warm, human, full, face-full, and anti-machine? Tell me what this techno is and what makes it enjoyable to you. |
Can't access YouTube and post samples here but I'll do later. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
What track was this thread on?
Do you all just want to read posts like
"Cool, can't wait for it to come out!"
and
"I like tracks 5-11!"
and
"Shed can do no wrong"
and
"Sounds pretty crap to me, yo!"
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Ok, let's get it right back on track! |
:haha: :haha: :stongue: |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I agree. I was not the one to derail the conversation, and only responded to personal affronts. (like your post) My thoughts on the album are in this thread too. |
I'm pretty sure you made four consecutive posts trashing tech house and and ridiculing woscar's post before anyone had "affronted" you. It looks exactly like you've retaliated to an attack on music you like by trashing the music the critic likes. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Well, that speaks numbers of your comprehension skills then, since JBJ and Adam420 grasped it immediately:
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this is exactly what I was referring to with the robots v. robots wearing blackface comment. The surface sound of the sample means nothing when the structure and usage of the sample is the same or even more standardized.
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
No it wasn't.
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What do you think you have said exactly by reposting various quotes that I made?
Those are totally legitimate questions as far as what makes the music 'human' to you, a question of anonymity of performance versus the 'star' of a show. I don't buy your idea that the sounds themselves are any more or less robotic. It's called 'tech' house for a reason. Seriously, how can you even honestly anything you ever play 'human'? It's not like you play folk music, dude. My point the entire time has been that this stuff you think is 'human' is actually relatively inhuman as well as the most stringent techno, and only different in a very superficial way (blackface).
A straw man is not whatever you don't like to hear.
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Can't access YouTube and post samples here but I'll do later. |
I don't want to hear youtube samples, lol. I want you to explain yourself in your own words. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| What do you mean by "blackface" in this context, exactly? I know the origin of the term, just not sure how you are using it. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm pretty sure you made four consecutive posts trashing tech house and and ridiculing woscar's post before anyone had "affronted" you. It looks exactly like you've retaliated to an attack on music you like by trashing the music the critic likes. |
This post was not trashing anything at all, it's just telling it like it is. There is no loaded language, besides perhaps 'cookie cutter', which was used to identify a particular generic subset of music that sounds like it was made in a factory. Yes, it's true that I don't like the music particularly, but even as clovis said, it applies to 90% of the stuff rather well.
| quote: | I don't particularly see how the cookie-cutter 'tech house' music doesn't sound to woscar as if it's made by robots.
I mean, from a programming perspective it would be super easy to recreate automatically.
- utilize a particular, small bank of samples
- one measure basic tech house beat + bass that repeats exactly the same over the course of the track, perhaps with the addition of one loop somewhere in the track
- add a random 'ethnic' percussion loop on top
- put a breakdown somewhere in there with a white noise filter or loop on a lead line prior to a bass drop
- optionally add the looped recorded voice of a dead jazz, soul, or blues, or salsa musician, or a single repetitive jazz or disco sample.
- dj friendly intro/outro
- master/mix them all in the same way
or is it that tech house musicians make embarassing videos of themselves on drugs at music festivals that makes their music "human"? |
The last line was a shot at humor, and also trying to get at the whole anonymity question in techno music. |
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