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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Is it okay to believe in god but you are a crazy if you believe unicorns are real? They are one and the same in the fictitious sense. |
Not at all. Unicorns don't organise society and don't come up with moral laws and an existential narrative for us to follow.
God, on the other hand, does. |
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| Sushipunk |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
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God seems to be a bit of a dick. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
God seems to be a bit of a dick. |
I know, right? Made most of the fun stuff a sin, for starters. |
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| Fledz |
| Yea, I mean what's wrong with a bit of murder here and there? |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Yea, I mean what's wrong with a bit of murder here and there? |
Or stealing? Or ing that dude's wife? Come on! |
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| Fledz |
| Or sodomy (is that a sin?). |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Or sodomy (is that a sin?). |
Not one of the major ones :gsmile: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Was not the whole aim of my post to openly admit that none of us may intrinsically know anything :rolleyes: ? |
I don't know. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Ah lol, I thought it was some vague reference to something else. |
Do you not know what "Begging the question" means?
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
That logic is flawed, you must build additional pylons. All one can say is that he can't be 100% sure that ANYTHING exists. Except for consciousness, pretty much nothing can be 100% proven to exist or completely not exist. Everything is theory. In theory we all live life every day. In theory you're in front of a computer right now. According to more recent theories, you're actually in many places at once. Will you ever know for sure? Probably not. |
Sure, so let's treat everything as equally likely! Nothing is proven, so it's just as likely that dragons live on the moon as that I'll need a piss when I wake up in the morning.
Or you can do what every sane human does, and completely ignore epistomological and ontological quandries about the inextricability of reality and perception for 99% of your life. For the most part, what our senses tell us is real is amazingly consistent and logical, and if we don't go along with it, our senses give us a lot of pain and bother that feels exceptionally real. Things like probability, evidence and causality still govern your decisions in every single minute of your life, so there is absolutely no reason why they should suddenly stop in a debate about faith.
All of which is a way of saying your post added nothing and nobody's impressed by you beating this philosophical truism to death every time the words "know" or "real" crop up. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Actually everything is a matter of belief, and it can be argued that nothing we experience holds any substantial reality (with the exception of consciousness itself).
Forget about God and unicorns. Maybe the real question is; why are people so quick to believe in all of the things we consider tangible? We can't inexorably prove that God or unicorns exist outside of our minds, nor can we inexorably prove the existence of the entire cosmos outside of our minds. No biggie *shrugs* :tongue3 |
This is both irrelevant and misleading. Although the residual unreliability inherent to human perception and cognition create some de minimis level of doubt as to all propositions, it does not follow that all propositions are equally dubious.
The man who hesitates to take a step forward because he doubts the existence of the ground he perceives in front of him is every bit as irrational as the man who refrains from action because he believes that Zeus will strike him down with a lightning bolt.
That's because the issue is not whether a given proposition is a "matter of belief"; rather, the it is the extent to which each particular belief is justified under the circumstances. |
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