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| Fledz |
I particularly liked this part:
| quote: | | All one can say is that he can't be 100% sure that ANYTHING exists. Except for consciousness, pretty much nothing can be 100% proven to exist or completely not exist. |
I'm pretty sure that the jumper I'm wearing exists. It may move through space time and multiple dimensions, and there are more than likely billions of particles moving through it every microsecond, but I can still with absolute 100% certainty say that it exists and I'm wearing it.
Does this guy think he's in the Matrix? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I particularly liked this part:
I'm pretty sure that the jumper I'm wearing exists. It may move through space time and multiple dimensions, and there are more than likely billions of particles moving through it every microsecond, but I can still with absolute 100% certainty say that it exists and I'm wearing it.
Does this guy think he's in the Matrix? |
The Matrix is just an expansion of a classic philosophical thought experiment - Brain In A Vat. It is a sort of in extremis version of something we know - your senses are not completely reliable and the universe is not exactly as our senses tell us. It's possible you're in a coma right now dreaming everything that's happening in your life, including your sweater. You can't say with 100% certainty that it isn't happening. It's a basic philosophical principle, and you can't argue with it.
However, as has been mentioned, that doesn't make everything in an uncertain reality equally uncertain and is an utterly irrelevant statement for the most part. |
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| Bierheld |
Not as pretty as i imagined, but they do exist them Unicorns. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The Matrix is just an expansion of a classic philosophical thought experiment - Brain In A Vat. It is a sort of in extremis version of something we know - your senses are not completely reliable and the universe is not exactly as our senses tell us. It's possible you're in a coma right now dreaming everything that's happening in your life, including your sweater. You can't say with 100% certainty that it isn't happening. It's a basic philosophical principle, and you can't argue with it.
However, as has been mentioned, that doesn't make everything in an uncertain reality equally uncertain and is an utterly irrelevant statement for the most part. |
Sure if you want to get pedantic, but like in maths when something gets so close to absolute infinity, you can pretty much state it's infinity.
In this case 99.999999999 and so on percent that my sweater exists :) |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The Matrix is just an expansion of a classic philosophical thought experiment - Brain In A Vat. It is a sort of in extremis version of something we know - your senses are not completely reliable and the universe is not exactly as our senses tell us. It's possible you're in a coma right now dreaming everything that's happening in your life, including your sweater. You can't say with 100% certainty that it isn't happening. It's a basic philosophical principle, and you can't argue with it.
However, as has been mentioned, that doesn't make everything in an uncertain reality equally uncertain and is an utterly irrelevant statement for the most part. |
it's actually based on plato's cave :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Or sodomy (is that a sin?). |
it's actually not really, the whole anti-gay thing is really more of a Church thing than a bible thing: The bible does at one point mention not having sex with dudes, but it also says you have to be circumcised, can't eat pork, can't have sex when chicks are having their periods etc etc etc.... the soddom and gomorah story was never about sodomy (lulz) in the first place anyway, the dudes raping the guys were RAPING them, not having consensual sex... Rape has always been a power thing, not a sex thing. People simply saw it as 'omg anal sex0rs must be a sin'...
but yeah, sodomy is no worse sin than all the other old testament crap which was completely ignored in the new testament and is completely ignored by all the right wing christians until it suits their agenda.
This is all no doubt great news for both you and Stu... Enjoy :gsmile: |
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| Fledz |
| Let's not forget the fact that the Catholic church more than likely burned texts which didn't suit their view, and therefore these never made it into the new testament. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Let's not forget the fact that the Catholic church more than likely burned texts which didn't suit their view, and therefore these never made it into the new testament. |
dude they just ignore anything that doesn't suit them, it's ing despicable.
They completely disregard BLATANT biblical laws in their very ing religion.
They have ing idols in their church ffs.
When moses comes down they're worshipping the statue thing or whatever, and one of the commandments is not to worship any physical representatiosn of god... The whole point/difficulty with faith for humans is to seperate their physical world from the spiritual connection with god, and yet the ing catholics have physical representations of this completely non-physical being throughout their churches... :wtf:
the other really bad one is that it's a huge sin to ADD anything to the biblical rules, and ten commandments... despite this the catholics have their ing 7 deadly sins, which are themselves a blatant sin, since they're not in the bible, and adding sins onto the bible willy nilly was expressly dissalowed... :wtf:
hate religions. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I have a job!
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*points* |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Do you not know what "Begging the question" means? |
Yes, I do, but as I said, I presumed it was a vague reference to something I was unaware of. As is quite common on TA. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
*points* |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Is it okay to believe in god but you are a crazy if you believe unicorns are real? They are one and the same in the fictitious sense. |
Who said its not ok to beleive in unicorns?
People can beleive what they'd like.
The line is crossed however when you force your beleifs on someone else - such as forcing them to worship unicorns.
Unfortunately this is a moral beleif, sadly this is an accepted practice because the world is insane. There are many historic examples - today it is mostly temporal but religious ostercism is regular - if not mearly political ostercism, people are willing to jepordize peoples health and safety over mearly personal values - and that is highly unfortunate but that is the world giving powers to people - it is just a fact of life - however corrupt, selfserving and totalitarian.
Its a political jumble, sadly the bad people will win without intervention it takes a stronger force to undo the other.
This is not loosing faith that good will remove itself from evil. Salvation is in understanding that one is already free.
You create your own values, and have the choice to support them or not.
Personally there is nothing wrong with believing in Unicorns, telling that to a totalitarian scientist such as a psychiatrist may see you violated if you hold that beleif - the inquisition is still happening. People are tormented for a free mind - it is a totalitarian police state.
The social order is ruled by cult heads willing to destroy those who oppose it.
It is just a fact of life, your allowed experiences are limited to what they say is ok to experience.
The borders of the real world are the ones they set.
Anyone can choose to cross the line, but they, the oppresosrs, are zealots.
It is a social rule that is followed by the tryrants that everyone must have common social experiences that the authority approves of, even suggesting that people can have unique social experiences places you suspect to undermining the established order - especially if systematic proof can't be provided or repeat occurence.
Apparently the world is static now unless you can reproduce something. Unless you are an authority. The authority factor is simply personal beleif.
The insane part is that the world isn't static, it actually is never the same temporally. It is inane beyond that. So the objectivists use those systems etc.. to establish order.
In that sense not bieng under authority is earmark of chaos and people arn't faithful enough to existin in chaos it is a final state where human thought doesn't rest. it is in state.
Greek mythology makes a lot of sense once you understand it.
Eg. the origin of the gods
Chaos - Chronos - uranus - zues etc..
Different mythologies have many similar views, and you can get a larger world view.
Bear in mind culture is offensive to some other cultures.....
Some have a higher value of preservation over experience, and that is the bottom line.
I support experience. Without it what is the point of preservation.
I don't think experience must be corruption, it mearly reflection of the infinite.
Sunder is in the breath but so if life. The breath is life.
creation is a cast, form from void.
but not to rant. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
dude they just ignore anything that doesn't suit them, it's ing despicable.
They completely disregard BLATANT biblical laws in their very ing religion.
They have ing idols in their church ffs.
When moses comes down they're worshipping the statue thing or whatever, and one of the commandments is not to worship any physical representatiosn of god... The whole point/difficulty with faith for humans is to seperate their physical world from the spiritual connection with god, and yet the ing catholics have physical representations of this completely non-physical being throughout their churches... :wtf:
the other really bad one is that it's a huge sin to ADD anything to the biblical rules, and ten commandments... despite this the catholics have their ing 7 deadly sins, which are themselves a blatant sin, since they're not in the bible, and adding sins onto the bible willy nilly was expressly dissalowed... :wtf:
hate religions. |
Errr...the statue is Jesus who pretty much everyone agrees existed. |
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