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New bylaw limits driveway parking to two vehicles (Toronto) (pg. 3)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
So what happens if you own 4 cars? What if you entire family is living there? More young people are living at home longer, and if you have two parents, and two kids, all with cars, use your garage as a storage area, where are the cars supposed to go?
This isn't an odd ball situation, but a very common one that I have seen more and more in the last few years.
I can only see this spilling cars onto street parking, which is hardly cleaning up aesthetics of the area. I guess it's a cash grab because then you have to pay for street parking.
I bet this is to curb people making money during the CNE. In Parkdale most home owners rent out their driveways and even their lawns for a quick buck. The city wants a cut! |
I think the simple answer is kick the kids out of the house. |
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| VDub |
What if you have a four car driveway???
How about all the rich ppl with 20 car driveways when they're having dinner parties? Will they get ticketed??
I can see the reasoning for this bylaw but it still wrong for it to actually exist... |
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| Sly_Guy |
| I'm no expert, but wouldn't this infringe upon the constitutional rights of property owners to do what they wish with their own private property? I mean, unless the government can justify it as a means to enhance the safety of the people affected by it [not likely], what business of their is it? |
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| The Potter |
| The overriding principle should be that no-one should dictate how others live their lives, when their own lives are not being detrimentally affected in a material way (and no, something that is unaesthetic and unsightly does not count; if it did, I say ban all the old, wrinkly and downright ugly politicians who I believe are eyesores!!!). Secondly, the overwhelming majority of the residents did not complain, as they were happy with the status quo; however, just because a few people want things changed, they can usurp the rights of the majority whose views were not considered...how on earth is that democratic? |
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| Tordan |
| How many cars can you possibly fit on a single car driveway... 2? These idiots should have worded the bylaw differently. No parking on your lawn would've done the trick. |
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| patpicos |
| quote: | All four mayoral main candidates say they would vote to repeal a bylaw that restricts how many cars can be parked in a driveway, but two of them voted to approve the law back in August.
The new bylaw is contained in the massive 5,000-page harmonized zoning bylaw document passed in council's last meeting in late August by a margin of 33-5, with seven councillors absent.
Coun. Rob Ford and Deputy Mayor Joe Pantalone both voted for the bylaw, and backtracked on their support Tuesday.
"We didn't have enough time to discuss it and debate it," Ford, considered the frontrunner, said.
Pantalone agreed, adding, "There's always trips and bumps on the road. This is one that's emerged."
Both executive Rocco Rossi and former deputy premier George Smitherman joined the chorus of condemnation.
"It's ridiculous at its heart. The motivations -- I have no idea what they were. It's not enforceable at all and it will be overturned," Smitherman said.
Rossi added: "Quite frankly, people need to know about these decisions before they are made because they affect people's daily lives."
In a later news release, Rossi said: "Councillor Ford voted for the driveway bylaw without reading it. How can we trust him to represent us if he doesn't even read what he's voting for?"
The bylaw allows for one car in the driveway for single-car garages, and two for double garages.
It has been grandfathered, meaning if a home had more than the allowed one car in the driveway, it can continue to park that way. You will just have to prove it to the city's bylaw enforcement officers.
A city official has said that could be difficult. However, the city has also said it will only be responding to complaints.
The main groups who will be affected are new homeowners or those who are building a new home.
Details can be found in the online version of the bylaws. The parking section (10.5.80) begins on page 29.
A city planning official defended the move, saying it was made in response to complaints from residents about people who turned their driveways into parking lots.
"I think it's reasonable to look at some limitations to permanent parking in driveways," said Gary Wright, the City of Toronto's chief planner. "In some cases, you might have illegal rooming houses where there are five, six or seven cars parked in a driveway."
But if the new council wants to change the law, he said his division will work with them.
Some councillors running for re-electon in the Oct. municipal vote are joining the revision bandwagon.
Coun. Gloria Lindsay Luby (Ward 4, Etobicoke Centre) issued a news release calling for the bylaw's repeal.
I have no idea why planning staff believes it is a priority to limit liberty and the number of cars that can park in a driveway, said Lindsay Luby in a news release.
It serves no public good except further create the perception of the war on the car. Families should be able to use their driveway to park their cars and not have to worry about offending City Hall.
She accused city hall staff of being out of control.
Luby, however, was one of the councillors who voted for adoption of the harmonized bylaws.
Meanwhile, an appeal of the bylaw has been filed with the Ontario Municipal Board. |
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...=TorontoNewHome
Ford voted for it and now says he would work to repeal it.
In the papers i read they didnt have enuff time to debate it.....so they just passed it. Morons |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
How many cars can you possibly fit on a single car driveway... 2? These idiots should have worded the bylaw differently. No parking on your lawn would've done the trick. |
there are already by-laws to cover that. |
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| nacarter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
I'm no expert, but wouldn't this infringe upon the constitutional rights of property owners to do what they wish with their own private property? I mean, unless the government can justify it as a means to enhance the safety of the people affected by it [not likely], what business of their is it? |
Which property rights are you referring to. Last I checked, there were none in Charter. |
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| ~C~ |
| NO WORDS, I'm absolutely speechless! And I don't even own a driveway, or drive a car in this city, and I'm still furious! Sweet mother of , this city really is in trouble... |
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| jon jon |
| lol @ Cambridge, Kitchener and EDMONTON (wow) calling Toronto a joke! haha the joke is on you hillbilly's! :p |
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