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everyone is claiming to be a producer...has the word lost meaning? (pg. 3)
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| sako487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
It could be worse. I once had a singer say "wow, you're a really good beatmaker". She thought it was a compliment. :whip: |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Some interesting takes on this but lets not forget its still just a label.
Same way not everyone here is a "producer" I also don't consider everyone here an "artist". Just because they aimlessly pound away at piano keys for a few years doesn't exactly qualify them. When you say "I'm a producer" its expected to be backed up with qualifications and accomplishments in real life. On here, thats not really the case.
If you have no accomplishments, then you're more of an aspiring producer, or an aspiring artist, than an established artist/producer. Thats really an important distinction imo.
A lot of people on this forum are aspiring artists. But we just use the word "artist" or "producer" loosely because its simple. I might use either term interchangeably on here because I know that most people here realize the same things I do. But in public I will NEVER refer to myself as either or.
I KNOW that people know I take it on as a hobby, and as a living, I call myself a "student of psychology" or "practicing therapist". I also do mold remediation and am good at it (it pays fairly decent) but I still wouldn't call myself a "mold remediator", or even a contractor even though I do that too.
I only like attaching labels to myself when I see that label is likely to be what I will actually do for a living. I don't see myself every becoming an established artist, I don't see myself ever making a future out of my current career, which is why I choose and pick labels according to what I see myself actually being successful at.
I think it has a lot to do with maturity really. A lot of younger kids essentially have no real identity/purpose in this world. I'm 28 but still have a large degree of that going on still. I'm really JUST moving out of that "exploratory" phase of life and realizing what my future will be (therapy).
I've always been an avid lifter but still don't consider myself even a "bodybuilder". A bodybuilder to me is someone who competes and actually tries to make a living out of what they do.
Same way I see lots of aspiring artists here but when I call them an "artist" or "producer" I expect them to know that most of them are really just an artist by hobby, not by living. I don't really get mad about it though nor really care either way.
And a result of that is that I didn't find what cryo said funny. Because it seems cryo actually makes a LIVING out of music. I could have empathy for him, but I still could NEVER have empathy to the extent where I understand how that wouldn't be a compliment.
If someone told me I was a "really good" beat maker, I'd DEFINITELY take that as a compliment. Because it would be evident that whoever gave the compliment really had no definitive meaning of the terms they were using. Why should I hold that against them? Its like being a dentist and a patient tells me "you're a really good tooth cleaner", I mean how lame would it be not to take that as a compliment?
I'm sorry but that was one thing I didn't understand. Labels have ALWAYS been used loosely in society and thats the way it will be. Most people have no idea what 90% of labels actually mean, but when they compliment you - you should already be aware of that, and you only need to really be aware of what they were TRYING to say.
Now as far as M4B being a pedophile... I'm sorry but I think you are.
A 12 year old girl on avg does NOT look like a 16 year old. A 16 year on avg however will often look like they are 18-21. A 12 year old never quite looks 16 because a 12 year old never quite looks like an adult.
They have no pubes or at most "partial" pubes. The bone structure of their hips is different cause hormones haven't quite been triggered for long enough to change. Baby fat compositions are high, and they have an extremely high degree of "baby facedeness" in general. Its a real psych word look it up.
At that age foreheads are larger, chins smaller, eyes bigger, noses smaller, round jaws instead of defined ones... theres SO MANY visual cues to know that what you're doing is wrong. Even if you assumed that she was shaven thats definitely not the only sign that she was 12. A total and complete lack of breast development should have been enough to tell. And even if she had tiny boobs, theres so many other features at that age that you can't ignore, which I already mentioned.
And the fact that she told you she was 14 (if I read correctly) makes me think that never even happened. Why would any girl try to lie about being older when it doesn't even afford them the advantage of making the situation legal? If she said 16 (which is legal in some states) I might have believed it but 14 makes no sense to lie about in the first place. |
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| Mad for Brad |
lol
you seem to know alot about the anatomy of 12 year old girls like you are speaking from experience. You filthy pederast.
So what you are saying basically is that i'm an aspiring pedophile. How many youngins must I bugger before I turn pro ? |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
lol
you seem to know alot about the anatomy of 12 year old girls like you are speaking from experience. You filthy pederast.
So what you are saying basically is that i'm an aspiring pedophile. How many youngins must I bugger before I turn pro ? |
An "aspiring pedophile" to me would be someone who watches child pornography to observe whether or not it actually turns them on. Once you get a boner, I think the whole "aspiring" concept flies out the window. I think for you - you're merely aware that 12 year olds DO in fact turn you on. So you passed aspiring likely years ago. Afterall a pedophile isn't something you really aspire for anyway, its like aspiring to be tall. Aspire all you want but its really natures decision.
You seem more like a pedophile in denial. You denied the vast majority of cues that would have tipped the average person off into knowing they were in fact a child molester. Like "why does this girl have no hips/pubes/breasts"? I don't think you ever asked yourself that question cause you already thought she was 14, and ALREADY knew that was wrong, so what does 2 more years really matter?
As far as why I know, its a topic we just covered last week about babyfacedness in general. As you age those traits never completely go away, and it winds up playing a partial role in attraction in later years (women with larger eyes for w/e reason are considered more attractive than women with smaller eyes) The problem is however, you are not attracted to traits that signify youth in a mature population, you are attracted to immature populations. Thats where you become a pedophile.
If it helps you to think that I am one too, which is also known as "displacement", a common self defense mechanism, that only signifies the fact that you're aware its morally wrong - but physically can't control yourself.
And with all that said I don't really think you're a pedophile. I think you're more a secluded histrionic. You say lots of things merely for attention and shock value... cause when you have to rely soley on personality that department is usually vacant. Ok no I shouldn't say that, I should say your personality has BECOME that of a histrionic, because your "former" personality (maybe in college who knows) was rather bland and boring. Maybe some girl left you cause she said you bored her, and you reacted by becoming an off the wall attention seeking whore. Not really sure but its what I'm going with for now.=]
And I still think you're a good person if it matters.. even if you molest 12 year olds. |
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| johncannons1 |
Im from Australia right and I was recently in LA well Hollywood to be precise and the amount of people there "claiming" to be someone was so damn funny. Everyone you met was supposdly someone.
Producer, Recording Artist, Engineer etc.
I know that in LA there are alot of studios and Alot of businesses which need these types of people. HOWEVER
If i take all the locals that i met and looked at the ratio of how many said they were "someone" all i can do is laugh hahahaha.
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| DJ Robby Rox |
/\ Exactly, thats why labels also have cultural references. A "producer" in LA is likely not to be percieved the same way as a "producer" in Canada.
Differential influence or w/e its called. |
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| Bren-F |
I've always called myself a producer, but never really put much thought into it myself.
I have quite a few friends who play various intruments in bands etc. But they don't refer to themselves as 'musicians' more like "I'm a guitarist/bass player" etc.
But, I would also see the creative process as not only writing the melody/chords/bass etc. myself, but programming the synth patches, arranging drum patterns. Adding/editing effects, arrangement, mixing and mastering. This is where trying to label what it is you do becomes a bit more difficult.
On a smaller scale, as I have had to learn aspects from all these parts of the process, I am technically a writer, composer, audio engineer, sound designer, mixing engineer and mastering engineer...(Although my skills in each of these vary greatly :P )
I think 'Producer' works nicely, as you are technically supervising yourself through the whole creative process.
Yes 'Producer' is an overused term - but so is just about every other musical term (as mentioned already in here)
Anyone can label themselves as a musician, producer, dj etc. these days. Best not to worry about it and let your productions do the talking :) |
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| LoveHate |
| i learned alot about things... and about.. myself from this thread. :wtf: |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
/\ Exactly, thats why labels also have cultural references. A "producer" in LA is likely not to be percieved the same way as a "producer" in Canada.
Differential influence or w/e its called. |
a producer in LA means you can crip walk. How much do I owe you for the psychoanalysis ? I don't mean to shock, I actually mean to make myself laugh. I find my jokes funny. When I revisit my posts, I get a good chuckle. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
lol
you seem to know alot about the anatomy of 12 year old girls like you are speaking from experience. You filthy pederast.
So what you are saying basically is that i'm an aspiring pedophile. How many youngins must I bugger before I turn pro ? |
4 is the number, 3 if you start involving dogs. |
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| a98 |
Yes the word has lost a bit of it's meaning, but a lot of those software producers would also be comfortable in a hardware studio. The only difference with external hardware effects is the cabling (routing from mixer channels, using aux, returning to empty channels etc). All the parameters are the same and the sound is the same. That said it's a lot easier to add software effects to your daw mixer than it's to connect hardware. You may have a specific effect in mind, but are too lazy to get it and connect it (if it's not in the rack already). So it's a lot faster and easier to get good quality sound these days.
I don't really agree that producing requires less skill today, but that getting started requires less effort. The days before software studios and vst, you literally had to invest a lot of money before you could even "try" if producing is for you. Now anyone can just download a demo of whatever workstation and is good to go right away.
So naturally when everyone and their mom is doing it, it's not that special anymore. If you'd be the only one who knows how to drive a car in your town, it would be considered special too.
What bothers me though, is people who respond to forum threads (technical or not) starting with "being a producer myself.." when practically everyone else in the thread is too. |
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