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everyone is claiming to be a producer...has the word lost meaning? (pg. 4)
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| Storyteller |
| I always tell people I make music. Nothing fancy about it. |
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| -FSP- |
| yeah, producer isn't a good word to sell yourself. You just seem like a guy who sits in the studio and tells the composer "that's cool man!" or you sound like a knob twiddler who makes songs in 4 min. |
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| owien |
| so the real question remains is if not a producer then what are we to call ourselves? |
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| Storyteller |
| I couldn't care less about that honestly. As long as I know there are people that appreciate my music that's all I need. |
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| Omega_Blue |
lol when did this thread go from producers to pedophiles?
another reason why i don't necessarily like the term "producer" is because a lot of people immediately correlate it with the hip-hop community, ie dr. dre or someone like that.
i don't just make beats, i write music (or so i tell myself :P) |
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| Scrittah |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
so the real question remains is if not a producer then what are we to call ourselves? |
Artists. Just because an artist sucks doesn't make them any less of an artist. Just because an artist makes nonsensical dada-ist crap doesn't mean they aren't an artist. Just because a lot of us shovel out generic trance crap like no tomorrow doesn't mean we aren't artists.
Or musicians. That works too. |
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| DJ RANN |
In the composing/scoring industry there's a lot of negative stigma about the label producer.
In the traditional sense a producer gathers the various components together and oversees the musical aesthetic if you will.
They would take an aritist and combine other musicians, aloong with tech's, engineers, programmers and even composers to "produce" the finished article. In the true traditional sense the producer often wouldn't play a single note.
I know one or two very well known people who call themselves score composers that do this and they are deeply frowned upon by real composers but often the people hiring them are none the wiser.
Puff daddy is one of the extreme examples of producer that doesn't get his hands dirty - in some cases, all he's done is write the checks and give very esoteric instruction as to how he wants the record to sound, then the real producers and artists make it for him to approve.
Trevor horn was one of the few producers who really first started getting his hands "dirty" in the respect he would be a creator in the musical or Artistic sense, he would actually play whole parts, if note write the song itself. It's alledged that kiss from a rose was made up of 127 vocal takes with over 4000 edits on the vocal (many mid syllable) that he did himself to create the final melody and flow.
EDM has essentially bastardized the term producer further to mean the person that creates the music themselves - we basically do everything more or less from lay the first drum sounds to the final mixdown.
In edm it's slightly allowable though if you think about it. We do produce in the traditional sense because we do oversee the entire process in most cases, just the main difference is that we oversee ourselves in all production and musical aspects.
So if someone says to me I produce EDM, that has a very different meaning to me than someone that says I'm a music producer. |
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| adi_hanson |
The term producer has been lost. You dont see well established artists swanning around saying DJ/Producer/Noob Whatshisface do you.
Maybe marketing had a influence on this? But I think over saturation of a market and maybe a hint of embarrasment forces people to big up themselves into a state to brag that they are a producer.
I can agree with the sense of a third party making records for a well known name being a producer. E.g Tiesto had 4 producers working on Suburban Train for him because he was on Tour and any spare time he had he was furiously masturbating.
But I would say an individual is a music maker is rather classed as an artist. But then you produce your own records so in all yes your are a producer.
Or a furious masturbater. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| the term producer as most understand it here is only really used in regard to EDM and hiphop. Every other genre sees the producer more as the project manager. It isn't a term that has been lost as there is a big distinction between song writer and producer in terms of copyright law. |
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| Kenny Rogers |
im so glad i live in Norway. heres everybody a nobody. everyones on wellfare and nobody cares. if you claim to be anything people just tell you to shut the hell up and go somewhere else with your attitude. if you have some sort of personality disorder its a huge plus and people want to know how you are doing and if they can help you with anything. if you work hard the other employees ask you why you try to put them in a bad light, and asks you to work slower. i love communism when it works (it only works when u have huge nature resources which allows everyone to be slack without community falling down <- eventually it will all go down though lol, but probably not in my lifetime). ah Norway, im never leaving, i will be forever faithful (as long as the oil lasts).
edit: try claiming your a producer here rofl. people will ask what chart# your on and then the whole discussion is terminated. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
im so glad i live in Norway. heres everybody a nobody. everyones on wellfare and nobody cares. if you claim to be anything people just tell you to shut the hell up and go somewhere else with your attitude. if you have some sort of personality disorder its a huge plus and people want to know how you are doing and if they can help you with anything. if you work hard the other employees ask you why you try to put them in a bad light, and asks you to work slower. i love communism when it works (it only works when u have huge nature resources which allows everyone to be slack without community falling down <- eventually it will all go down though lol, but probably not in my lifetime). ah Norway, im never leaving, i will be forever faithful (as long as the oil lasts).
edit: try claiming your a producer here rofl. people will ask what chart# your on and then the whole discussion is terminated. |
That's not true, there are famous norwiegans. Don't forget A-ha and on my street where my business is there's a store owned by Peder Borresen, Stefan Dahlkvist, and Simen Staalnacke (you know what store I'm talking about). They are ing rockstars and get swamped by the waiting paparazzi's. Usually turn up in a Rolls or Aston Martin, dressed in god knows what. |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| Moods of Norway? lol, they had to go out of the country to be rock stars, nobody is anything here. a-ha is just a nice act to do parody stand-up on. |
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